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well i think this conversation is not o­n Ginan o­nly<BR>this is about belive, authorityof Imam, and rituals<BR>as its a debate of a mix of blended thoughts and religious stuff<BR>it should be allowed to be posted here.<BR><BR>and children after 100 years hehe i think they wont be needing this stuff ...

just to make one thing clear
what ever i m stating
is completely from my research and understanding.
I m currently in HRE 2 Special classes
organized by ITREB Pakistan (Teachers are well known wazeen of our jamat and scholers from IED, AKU )
and also working on different matters in ismailisum at my ...

well if u say so k that is rong
let me tell u one thing

we are disscussing at this site
this is also prohibited by our institutions under direct guidnace from AGLIMONT. (plz do comment on this cuz this was in special order from aglimont and was told to jamat in JKs by MHUKHI SAHBAN).

and yes if u ...

hello brother
i m not hurt from u r msg
but i will not post more on this as now i have doubt that my opnion may cuz hurt to some one.
and as far as Tariqa Board is
recent changes made in Ginans are being made cuz of direct orderd from Mowla

as in a few ginans PIRS have used Indian God Names
so in ...

well i apologise and take back all my words
if that have hurt any one or anyones belief

but what ever i have said was totally upon my knowledge and understanding.
in accordance with mowla's faramin

i have seen many pplz quoting mowla's faramins for many things
but then their comments some how ...

well i apologise and take back all my words
if that have hurt any one or anyones belief

but what ever i have said was totally upon my knowledge and understanding.
in accordance with mowla's faramin

i have seen many pplz quoting mowla's faramins for many things
but then their comments some how ...

yam

well yeah its truth k Imam Ali's son is not burried there
and according to history Hanif also didnt took any part for the revange of KARBALA
infect when he was contact by MUKHTAR (the one who rebeled against YAZID) he refused to take over and didnt took any part in politics or any recange.

and ...

yar all of u r right
and i m right tooo

yar every one has rights to understand and have his her own perception about any event.

but yar in my sense of study of ismailisum, and mowla's faramins
there are diverse practices of ismailisum tooo
our fatih is differently practiced in pakistan and ...

well no response from Missnairy as his email is not working

as far as Ginan and Faramin is i think may be we are saying the same thing but with different words. my one line for ginan and farman is.

they are all the way authentic as are by imam and pirs. but instead of getting into its literla ...

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well any one from School Of Excellance year 1990-93
plz do contact me

take care all

Ya Ali Madad

Thanx For accepting my views

well bhiya mentioning IIS name doesnot mean to rely on them
and Farhad Dafry is not even an ismaili.
my point is to view thing critically
and try to find real meaning out of it
and every one around will have his / her own meaning
cuz no body's mind is same ...

i have emailed Alwaiz Kamludin and waiting for his response<BR>and also disscussed this with my mom <BR>and according to her in her early days they use to recite gujrati dua <BR>and when they were given a chance to lead jamat in regular dua , Mukhi of the jamat use to chk their gurati dua from a ...

Ya Ali Madad

well as u have commented so now let me re confrim it
cuz what ever i told you was told to me(/us as a student of HRE Special 1) just a few months back by Alwaiz Kamaluddin.

but still let me reconfirm it and i will come up with the updated info soon.

and a theology about acepting ...

well dear brother
first thing current arabic dua was given by Hazir Imam
some where in 1960s
and
gujrati dua was given by one of our PIRS and approved by Imam of that Time.
and i would request you to please research on it and make u r self correct.

and about ginans i have already made my self ...

yar according to my knowledge please correct me if i m rong

Gujrati dua was not given by Imam of that Time
infect it was given by PIR

and was just approved by imam
and same with current dua

there was a committee of few ismaili scholars majorly from Syria and Indo-Pak and then dua was presented to ...

hello friend
you are right as far as ginans are concerned
my point was which i may wudnt be able to clearyfy
is that ginans were used as the tool to convert hindus to muslims (ismailies) and there is a lot of hindu myths in it leading to the revelation of Imam.

ginans are not at all only used for ...

yar wut i think or have studied is

quran was never into parts when it was revealed

it was later when pplz made into parts for the easyness of studying it.

so they made thirty , may be quran have 40 parts devinly but humans made it into 30 parts for the easyness to be recited in the motnhs of ...

Ya Ali

saying in any context in my opinion is no way a sin until unless you are saying /doing anything bad towars YA ALI.

and Farman of Ya Ali or Ya Ali
yar Ya Ali is important cuz u can only recognize Ya Ali from his faramins
so i guess both are important to each other. :)


take care Ya Ali ...

<P>Ya Ali Madad</P><P>hello every o­ne<BR>well .. i read all of your comments n posts <BR>which shows that most of the pplz posting here are ismailies from Africa or Sub Continent<BR>but if we talk about ismailies<BR>ismailies not o­nly live in these places<BR>ismailies are also in Yeman, Iran ...