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Observation and Comments on our Modern Ginanic Literature

Follow-up to Paris Conference 1975. The 1980 Nairobi Ismailia Association International Review Meeting.

This is the paper presented at the Ismailia Association International Review Meeting in ...

4 Daag( What's this??)

1) Van Daag

2) Jal Daag

3) Agan Daag

4) Bhom Daag


4 Khunna (What's this??)

1) Esaan Khun

2) Agan Khun

3) Nairut Khun

4) Vaaviy Khun



These below are not authoritative answers, only some possibilities:

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I think Daag is the burial or disposal of a ...

Recitation of ginan depend on the reciter. There is a whole section discussing changes in the Ginans. This section is on Das Avatar. However it is important to know that:

There is an active attempt by some well placed people among the leadership to annihilate all of our Satpanth Ismaili historical ...

Thank you very much for sharing this

There are no ginans banned by the Imam, only Man Har of Gulamali Shah was banned althouth one of the most beautiful composition existing. That particular ginan [granth] had a verse which was mis-understood by a group under Kamadia Jan. That group thought one can become equal or higher then the Imam ...

The earliest Pir to have preached in India, according to the Khoja Ismaili tradition, is one named Satgur Nur
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In fact we also have few ginans written by his father Pir Salehdin I believe. The Ismaili Dawa in the Indian Subcontinent pre-dates the establishment of the Fatimid Empire in ...

I also want to understand meaning of following paath

269 Man Samjaanni Pir Shams
1 Man Samjaanni ki esi baataa
2 Duniyaa na samje Shaah ki dhaataa
3 Nabi ke saathe huaa gulaam
4 Unkaa he Halaal naam
5 Une khijmat kari he jaaji
6 Nabi Saaheb huaa he raaji
7 Sanad duaa unku diaa
8 Gulaam aapne saathe ...

Ya Ali Madad,

Can any one translate these verses of mansamjhani or explain the story mentioned in it.

67 Man Samjaanni Pir Shams
1 Man Samjaanni ki esi baataa
2 Koi na samje Gurnar ki dhaataa
3 Kenaa eb ugaarvo nahi
4 Kisi aagal na kevo kaain
5 Rasoolallaah betthaa jamaat maanhe
6 Asaaeb sab ...

@ Tret and Sheri,

Minutes of Paris Conference doesn't talk about approval/disapproval of the concept of avatars given in Ginan. There are no direct quotes of Imam nor even indirect mention on this subject.
However, it does mention about the categorization of Ginans, as you pointed out. According ...

To tret,
Thanks. There are certain Ginans which mentions about das avtar in detail. They are no longer recited in Jk. However you can find them quoted in publications of IIS and scholarly works.
I dont know about Paris Conference. But Admin I think once mentioned that the minutes of Paris ...

Shams:
IMAM SMS has said "Krishna & Raama" are 'Prophets.'
On this form & chart of evolution on this website "Krisha & Ram" are incarnations of Vishnu.

Now please tell me are Krisha & Ram "Prophets" as IMAM SMS mentions or are they the manifestation of Vishnu (Supreme God) whom you believe have ...

To Sheri:

Thanks for quoting from Memoirs of Aga Khan. That is exactly what I was trying to convey you i.e. to think out of the box and not to limit Islam only to Beni Israel. In my previous messages, I told you that you will find prediction of coming of Prophet Muhammad in even scriptures of ...

Sorry for interruption, let me try to answer them.


1) In Quran is there any ayat that tell you that Hazrat Ali is the first Imam or He is successor of Prophet so must be followed. If not, so why do you believe that? If you say that it is mentioned in Hadith. So why can you say that the topic of ...

To Sheri:


I would request you not to jump on so many topics at the same time, otherwise it would be difficult to carry discussion.
First your argument was on Dajjal, second was on Vishnu and now you have jumped into another topic of Divinity of Imam...

I would not like to comment on any thing ...

The term Dajjal is mentioned in Hadith. If you dont believe in Hadith than why do you believe in Quran? How you got Quran? Did not you get it through Prophet Muhammad? If you respect Quran than respect Hadith also. If you dont believe in certain Hadith that is alright but some thing which is ...

nuseri - why is MHI so adamant to please the Muslims and not the Hindus. The type of Ismailism that you are advocating for would easily be acceptable in India and as part of Hinduism. Ali = Vishnu = Allah.

Why would MHI put a cover on the tenants of Ismailism when he can easily gain acceptance in ...

What amazes me is that some of our brothers are still so much interested in the history of hindi and I guess effort will be very well spent in understanding our own ismailie history.

I agree with you tret. I am very clueless how these Hindu concepts have made their way into Ismailism. Our ...

Dear Admin,
Its only a suggestion to improve quality of the forum section. Its again upto you to decide what should be done.
I think there are some members who deliberately try to change and divert others from the main topic of discussion and repeat same thing in every topic. As a result posts ...

Dajjal is an interpretation that is floating around. It has not been confirmed by MHI. Furthermore, there is no mention of it in the Quran. Please provide any authentic reference to this claim that the concept of Dajjal is a Islamic concept (either a Farman or a ayat of the Quran).


The topic of ...

There is no concept of Vishnu in Islam whatsoever. Give me one source, I ask for only one reliable source that links Vishnu to Adam.


The term Vishnu is used by Hindus for the attribute of God as a sustainer of the universe. According to Shamsu (one of the members of ismaili.net forum- he posted ...

The term Vishnu is used by Hindus for the attribute of God as a sustainer of the universe. According to Shamsu (one of the members of ismaili.net forum- he posted this information in forum) the word Vishwa means Universe and anu means atom so Vishnu means the one who exists in every atom or particle ...

Also if only imam's interpretation is all that matters to you then why don't you write or go meet the imam in person and get his POV rather than wasting your time here ???

All Ismailis believe MHI has correct Quran and correct Zahir and Batin explanation.

Only problem is Imam is not accessible ...

Also note, there is no mention of Pir in the constitution. If IMAM really wanted to emphasize on the role of Pir then he would have mentioned it in the constitution.

I think everyone should read the two documents (Constitution & Paris Conference) thoroughly as they are the backbone of our beliefs ...

Ismailism's fundamental belief is in the Holy Prophet being a Prophet of Allah. There is no concept of incarnations, reincarnation, manifestation etc, like in the Hindu religion. Islam is an Abrahamic faith. It is the faith of the descendants of Hazart Abrahim. Vishnu is not the grandfather of ...

Except for the brief conversion period of Hindus to Ismailis, there is no historic evidence that Ismailism or Islam had any link with the Hindu religion. Islam has always been an Abrahamic religion. There is no concept of Vishnu, in Islam or the Quran.

When Hindus were being converted, there were ...

For us Islam is not only Arabian religion but universal religion. Ismaili tradition has rooted in different parts of the world. For better understanding of Satpanthi Ismailism, it is important to have understanding of certain important aspects of Indian history as well as ancient literature.

There are many waezes of Abualy missionary which you may download from ismaili.net. Just check it out, if there is one on Daet Kalingo.

There are many waezes on ismaili.net. If you know any waez in which missionary/alwaez has shared any miracle of Hazir Imam, than please share the link. Thanks

Mowla Ali Madad,
Its quite long description. I am just writing in short what Imam has mentioned. Imam stated that our religion is our religion. Either you believe in it or not. But you do not have right to remain within it and try to bring change in it (beliefs/practices). You can not remain in ...

Mowla Ali Madad,
The reason that some of them left Ismaili faith is given in Memoirs of Aga Khan Pg 187