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Shiraz,
While I am in support of the current American President, especially in comparison to the person he followed, the President should be held accountable and under criticism. If we waste time gawking at the fact that America had its first African American President (more specifically, half Afro ...

Shiraz, you have a really pompous means of getting your point across. Your main argument can be summed up as respect for women and yet you attack Mehreen for expressing her opinion. My understanding of what Mehreen was stating was that we argue that prostitution in its simplest form is deemed as ...

Shams, you're absolutely right... your problem, you're responding to MY posts. I've only continued to be on this thread because Hungama keeps making attacks. I know you're against homosexuality so telling this Hungama would seem like you're going against your view point. But tell those who NEED to ...

Of course Hungama... me treating others with human dignity makes me gay, no wonder why you're against homosexuals. And that also makes me a 'brainless' creature who 'thinks.' Just out of curiosity, I'm assuming english wasn't your first language, do you have a word for human dignity in your native ...

Well you're a total moron Hungama, I've said numerous times that I'm a heterosexual and that I have no direct incentive with gays being welcomed or or banned. You are the BIGGEST homophobic creature I've encountered, it IS possible to treat homosexuals with respect WITHOUT being a homosexual.

I ...

So you just lust after women, if that's your mentality, you have a lot of issues you need to work through. But not all people lust, homosexuals included, and you seem to have problems accepting that, perhaps if you had any concept of respect you'd understand that.

And guess what, it's legal in 5 ...

Hungama, I thought you learned some maturity. I made the effort to understand your rationale, but you fail to learn the argument being presented to you because you refuse to leave your bubble and follow very valid logic arguments.

If you don't understand what it ACTUALLY means to be a homosexual ...

it's not lust though... it's the same love we have for a woman... if you lust after women, then I can understand where you're coming from, but there's an emotional investment, and that's the aspect that some people find hard to accept. And that's why I've felt the Quran was referring to ...

the problem is that sexual orientation refers to both the sexual and emotional attraction. To say being a homosexual is wrong is to say to love someone of the same sex is wrong, which the Quran DOES NOT mention. In fact, Islam is about having love for one another. And other's judging someone for ...

Clearly we all really immature when it comes to this topic because we are still having this fight on other forums... Alamut, if you have something to argue bring it here. Don't whine to Admin because people disagree with you. Hungama, don't go on rants on other threads because someone mentions the ...

Judith, I admire your willingness to research beyond our bubble of information. Personally, I feel no matter what other people on this forum may tell you, questioning our faith and beliefs is a good thing. We have this intellect and to waste it is a tragedy.

I actually completely agree with the ...

Hungama, you have the definitions of sexuality and gender reversed. Gender is society's classification of masculine, feminine or neutral, while sexuality refers to classification of sex based on the presence of genitalia and/or chromosomes. Sexuality can also be used as a synonym to sexual ...

you agree with the advocating of social, political, and all other rights of women equal to those of men.

so you're pro feminism then?

Science and the Quran don't conflict, if you believe you're not corrupted by your own prejudices you should be able to prove it scientifically. The absence of one theory doesn't justify your own. I've provided evidence to suggest that the explanation goes beyond conscious thought, which is what ...

you said it in the thread on homosexuality, you associated homosexuality with feminism and social liberalism, it's why I started this thread. Maybe you should keep your story straight

You really are that stupid...

Prove to me it's a choice, people don't say I want to sin because I want to sin, maybe you do, but we've already established your stupidity and hypocrisy. Surely if it has existed for so long and within islamic civilizations (are you saying the islamic empire was ...

Hungama,

You proved my point that MHI trumps Quran, MHI is the living Quran and the noor is carried throughout each generation.

In regards to your aayat, as I've said before, the use of repenting implies that there is guilt meaning that the 2 men are engaging in sodomy not because they love each ...

Just as a general response to Hungama's post on Equality in regards to homosexuality:

You're trying to force civil law on other people who not only share your faith, but also your interpretation of that faith. You haven't justified how BEING a homosexual is wrong. You're also coming up with the ...

but you've said in previous posts that you're against feminism, which fights for equal rights in society for females. So you're sending mixed messages here.

(I'm going to respond to your remarks on homosexuality on the homosexuality thread because having the same argument on 2 different threads ...

saying something is crystal clear doesn't make it so, it just proves your stupidity. The Quran is bound by time, that's why we have MHI because he's our LIVING IMAM. It was the basis of the shia-sunni split. Are you even an ismaili or too narrow minded to accept even the most obvious aspects of your ...

you're trying to imply that he's referring explicitly to homosexuality, which he isn't most likely. There are a lot of aspects of the Western world that conflict with islam, but allowing homosexuals to exist isn't a conflict, letting them be ismaili is not a conflict. You should know it is possible ...

You're arguing it right now, we're on the equality thread, not homosexuality. I suggest you learn how to read. I've always phrased things as being ismaili and gay, and secondly, someone can classify themselves however they want.

You're quite a hypocrite when it comes to turning a blind eye to the ...

My responding to your posts is a sign of you shutting me up? Are you really that stupid? You've gotten to the point where you reduced your argument to what if MHI says homosexuals are bad. Why don't I through that question back at you and if MHI expresses that homosexuals have every right to exist ...

But with Hungama, the debate has shifted to whether we can allow homosexuals to live amongst us, and while he is entitled to believe homosexuality is wrong, he's taking it to the point where he refuses to accept them as ismailis or people for that matter.

I suppose you'll accuse Qifar of being the 'messiah of gays' as well since we're both heterosexuals who believe homosexuals should be able to live without discrimination or fear.

i can ask you the same question, you use emoticons like a teenage girl on crack, you can barely get through a sentence without using text shorthand. Do you just fail at communicating or are you just immature?

What you, The terrorist, fail to understand is that being a homosexual means you have the ...

You haven't argued that gays shouldn't have rights. And I hardly consider myself a messiah. You're the one spreading hate implying homosexuals have no right to exist. Perhaps I'll address you as 'The Terrorist.' You haven't proved that the affection for the same sex is a sin but the act of sodomy ...

I just answered your question, if you're trying to prove a point you failed. You have yet to show any evidence from the Quran that the desire for the same sex (, which is the defination of being homosexual) is wrong. All your quotes refer to sodomy. Also, you still have yet to justify that ...

Hungama, it seems very shallow of you to try and bring me into arguments that I'm not even involved with. You for some reason, decided to describe me as the 'gay messiah' and dub me as some person who wants to go against religion because I have some hidden motive with the gay community. While the ...