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Let those who believe in Maududi, Buraydah, Abu Dawud, Ahmed, an-Nasai and Muwatta or Malik or Ahmed, Ibn Majah, Muslim, An-Nasai and at-Tirmidhi believe in those.
Buraydah was a Sahaba and narrator of Hadith.
Late Maududi was a Islamic scholar and author of “Towards Understanding the Quran” a ...

ShamsB

Salaam

Namaaz is term used for Salat in Persian and Indo Pak Bangladesh region.

There is a standard Namaaz/Salat for Muslims who follow 5 Madhabs (4 Sunni and a Jaffery) and by some Ismaili [Mustaali faction and their subs] factions. It is performed 5 times a day. Jaffery (Ithana Shari ...

Our Salaat is called Du'a which in Arabic means to Beg. We do not call it Namaz, ...Namaz is a persian ritual and may also mean fire worshipping..... we are not fire worshippers ! plus the Quran mentions salat and Du'a and Zikr but not Namaz !

Loose the sophomoric argument. Namaaz is term used ...

H. Ali did present the chronological and complete Quran to Uthman who rejected it. The same thing is likely to happen.

Shams

It is debatable whether he did or did not. Ismaili Imamas have given you new way to pray. Instead of fasting in Ramadan has given you beej fast. Qibla is alluded to his ...

Shams B

I think you are not reading what's being written..the verses aren't corrupt..there are verses missing..the order is not chronological...there were verses removed...so what is there is not corrupted - it is incomplete.

HM should end this 1000 year debate. He should present complete Qur'an ...

How quote verses substantiating your faith if you believe those verses are corrupt themselves? It does not make sense

Br. Arshad

Just wait for head spinning circular response.

Shams
Let us substitute “Manifest Imam” in Scholars translations.
[32:12] 'in(na) -naa nah.nu nuh.ye al- mawtaa wa- naktub maa qaddamo wa- 'aathaar -hum wa- kull shay' ah.s.aynaa -hu fe 'imaam muben

[Malik 32:16]: Surely We shall resurrect the dead, We are recording all that they are sending ahead ...

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I am not here to argue whether Qur'an is corrupted or not. I am accepting the fact that as per Ismaili doctrine Qur'an, read and honored by 90% of 1.57 Billion is a corrupted document. You must believe in Farmaan of your MHI. Corrupted or not this is the only book we believing Muslims ...

Shams

You cannot win arguments using fragmented parts of Ayah of Qur’an. Here is whole Ayah and multiple translations. There is no such thing as “Manifest Imam” in this Aya.

[32:12] 'in(na) -naa nah.nu nuh.ye al- mawtaa wa- naktub maa qaddamo wa- 'aathaar -hum wa- kull shay' ah.s.aynaa -hu fe ...

"Wa Kulla Shain Asaina Hufi Imamin Mubeen"
And we have vested the knowledge and authority of everything in the mainfest Imam."

Shams

It is Oxymoron, Why quote or use a passages from corrupted “Othman Qur’an” to justify institute of “mainfest Imam"
You do not need any justification. Institute ...

Dear Pardesi

I also see you have a partner now in Arshad. Is he by any chance Najmi?

Stop being paranoid. Check out when Arshad guy joined and when I joined.

PEACE

my ultimate source is the farman of the Imam - wherein I am told that the Quran is incomplete.

Dear Pardesi

Agree or disagreewith this statement?[/quote]

my ultimate source is the farman of the Imam - wherein I am told that the Quran is incomplete. <BR><BR>Dear Pardesi<BR><BR>Agree or disagree with this statement.<BR>

Br. Pardesi

Thank you.

I am not or have not preached against right for different interpretation of Qur'an.

Br. KM and I were talking about Q 2:144, in this verse Prophet of Islam was commanded to face scared Masjid and the fact that Kabah is located within this Masjid.

For us believing Muslims ...

BTW you failed to notice or comment on;

Ali ibn Abi Talib
http://www.sunnah.org/publication/khulafa_rashideen/caliph4.htm

I found following very interesting.

The innovations of those who bore excessive love and admiration for `Ali appeared in his own lifetime and he himself fought them in word ...

But please don't question our faith, beliefs or practices. There is a difference and we take it seriously.


I have not.

I have seen Ismailis mocking beliefs of Muslims in reference to Salat, Roza, Hujj, Wadhu etc. on this board. I do hope they read up scholarly books on both Sunni and Majority ...

I cannot see explicit reference to Kaaba in the verses. If you have interpreted the Qibla to be the Kaaba,

There is no explicit word but scared mosque is in Mecca and Kabah is structure in the mosque. Sahabas were much smarter then knit pickers and the Prophet did not have to draw 'X' on the ...

Here is Pooya/Ali comments

[Pooya/Ali Commentary 2:142]
For "the east and the west belong to Allah" see commentary of verses 107 and 115 of this surah.
Qiblah is the direction towards which the face is turned. In Makka, the Holy Prophet used to face Jerusalem at the time of praying salat, but the ...

The Quran states that Allah is the Lord of the Worlds. These Worlds can be interpretated as the 4 stages

How? Please elaborate.

Can you provide the Quranic reference to Kaaba?

Qur'an 2:143-144

By human nature our eyes are colored by our faith and different people see same thing defferently. So I do not blame you if you feel that this chapter favoured Abu Bakr.

Please remember that this is abridged version and full version is not net.

Martin Lings has very good biography of Prophet. Last ...

Correction

Here is chpter on last illness of ProphetSAW.

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sira/26.htm

Here is chpter on last illness of Prophet

SAW.http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sira/26.htm

It is from

Sirat Rasoul Allah
The earliest biography of Muhammad, by ibn Ishaq
An abridged version

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sira/index.htm

Here is what ‘wicky’ says about Sirat of Rasul ...

Call them Hippocrates in place of Bug Bhagats.

We are not discussing Yazid.

AS

Brother, if just performance of rituals could keep one from going astray, then I could name a few hundred people who are 5 timers and also fast the whole month of Ramadan but corrupt down to the core. So the 5 prayers and fasting has not saved them. Yazid is the perfect example yet he was the ...

Mawla

The word has a dual meaning of either master, protector or supporter, wali, wilayah, awla are its supporting synonyms.

A mawla usually means the one who have more authority over believers then they have on themselves It can also mean a much more elevated person, a "master," "lord," "vicar ...

If the majority of the Muslims did not obey the Prophet of Allah at Ghadir and accept Imamat of Hazarat Aly, why would they accept the Quran provided by MOWLA?

On the contrary majority did accept Hz. Ali RA as their "Mowla". Check out meaning of Mowla. He was esteemed adviser to 3 Khalifas and ...

Islam has 4 stages of shariah, tariqah, haqiqah, and marifah. Perhaps the prayer direction depends upon what stage of Islam the person practices?"

Can you give Qur'anic or Sunnah references of these 4 stages?

Can you post Kaaba direction for all stages.

Wasalaam

Kmaherali wrote

As I mentioned in it, our Sharia is not based on the Sunna, rather it is based on the Firmans of the Imam.

So what is Farman?

Fast on Beej?

Do not fast?

Fast in any month except Ramadan?

It is OK to fast in Ramadan?

Br. Shamsu wrote

THE QURAN WHICH IS WITH MY MOWLA IS COMPLETE

THE BOOK THAT THE REST OF THE WORLD CALLS THE QURAN IS NOT.

It wouls be nice if MOWLA gave real complete Quran which he possecis to Muslim Ummah and liberate them from sin of reading and following incomplete Qur'an!

Br. kmaherali;

AS

JAK for response.


There have really been no cut and dried rules

So I understand that Ismaili Muslim is not requred to face towads Kaaba while praying even though it is clear in Qur'an prayer direction is towards Kaaba. Yes or No?

If I may apply my inteellect in reasoning ...