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the Divine ESsence / Godhead is ultimately exalted above all names. He is nameless.

Then don't even refer to Him as the Divine Essence. In fact, don't refer to Him at all (not even as 'Him').

The point about the letters of Allah being contingent and therefore the name Allah referring to a ...

Annemarie Schimmel who was one of the most respected scholars in Sufism states in her book And Muhammad Is His Messenger:

"One of the central themes (if not the cemtral theme) of mystical prophetology is that of the Light of Muhammad, nur Muhammad. It is like the light of the sun around which ...

The notion of the Prophet being God is an esoteric one and not for the majority. In Islam there are many tariqahs . The mystical or Sufi tariqahs highlight the Noor aspect of the Prophet and hence we have the notion of the Nur-i-Muhammadi.

Kmaherali, don't speak about that which you don't know ...

I am still not sure where is he going with his arguments. I know he is trying to "logically" prove ismailis wrong but so far its just going in circles and not really getting anywhere.


1) Do you know what it means to go in circles? And,
2) I’m not trying to disprove Ismailis. All I’m trying to ...

2) To be able to see the electron beyond a particle (as a wave) and to experience those qualities (not just as a perception but as a reality as you see the wave spectrum on a wall) must mean there is a added dimension to an electron. And similarly an added dimension to the Imam’s reality[...]

To ...

Anyways, what you are saying is circular. You are looking at it from their point of view. If you look at it from our point of view then our Imam is not inferior since we see him as perfect/divine. So according to ME and MY reasoning (from an ismaili standpoint) their leader is not superior to my ...

A complementary practice is something that is extra. It need not be obligatory.

In order for two distinct traditions to have complementary practices they both have to have those certain practices in common i.e. obligatory on both traditions.

In Ismailism there is a lot choice. Not all Tariqah ...

I am not concerned about what others view my Imam as. And if they believe their leader is perfect and divine that is their belief. Ismailism is a religion which supports pluralism and allows me to respect them for what they believe. I don’t have a need to get insecure because they feel their leader ...

I said "they may recite Namaz albeit on Fridays" so where is the ignorance about the Namaz not being obligatory. In other words I have maintained that Namaz is not obligatory. The Imam has approved the text whether is is available or not. In any case it is not meant to be obligatory.

It’s not ...

Now to make the point much more clear to you (obviously you are missing it), I am again telling you just cause you experience the Imam as imperfect it's your own limitation not the Imams.

Again, whether or not it’s anybody’s limitation is beside the point. The point is the truth of a person’s ...

I think you are missing the point. Let's say the person who percieves him as imperfect was to start seeing him as perfect/divine, they would experience those qualities of his. But if someone were to start seeing you or me as perfect/divine they would not experience anything. And this property of ...

Similarly, a person who perceives the Imam of the time, as the perfect man, the Imam will be that to him/her. And I don't mean just in words, you will experience qualities of the Imam of the time that will show you he is perfect/divine. If you don't see him as that you will not experience those ...

Similarly most Ismailis are ignorant of the fact that they may recite Namaz albeit on Fridays only and that the Imam has authorized a standard text for it.

I think it’s not that most Ismailis are ignorant that they may recite salaat/namaz. Rather, I think that you are ignorant of the fact that ...

Kmeharali - Unfortunately, I perceive that the user binom1 is dead set to declare Ismailis as heretics.

I don’t declare Ismailis to be heretics. I just have certain disagreements with them (on some issues).

Bionm1 perceives that Ismailis do not practice sharia and therefore are doomed.

I don ...

I am not denying it and I said it could be due to ignorance. Perhaps the introduction of the Ismaili Namaz will serve as a wake up call for those who are not aware that one could also pracice the Namaz if he had the capacity to do so in addition to Dua.

Read what the user Kandani has said above ...

Dear Kandani,

The Salat for Isma'ili Muslims is the Du'a which is the obligatory prayer of the Isma'ilis. It serves the same function as the namaz practiced by Sunnis and Twelver Shi'a. There is absolutely nothing heretical about the Isma'ili Dua and it is practiced 3 times a day in accordance ...

Perhaps it is not in circulation, but the fact is that some Ismailis have been practicing Sharia namaz albeit of Fridays using any of the exsting namaz from other denominations. The new Ismaili namaz will replace that. It is not meant to be a new practice....

The fact is that the majority of ...

As I said before that there was a mesage from the Imam in December last year that he has approved the text. I am not in possesion of one but would not mind sharing as it is a Sharia practice...

No Ismaili seems to possess this namaz text. So according to you they are obliged to perform a namaz ...

It is hard enough for murids to satisfy the requirements of the Tariqah. Nevertheless the Ismaili Namaz is available for those who can do both. Hence there is a complementarity between the Shariah practices and Tariqah practices. You may argue about the degree and the nature but there is a ...

It has been approved by the Imam to be used as a Sharia practice according to the capacity and needs of individuals.

Then why aren’t Ismailis praying salaat/namaz reguraly 5 times day (like all other Muslims)? According to the capacity and needs of individuals? Again I ask you: why hasn’t he made ...

There is no complusion in religion. Many non-Ismaili Muslims that I know don't pray 5 times a day. It is a matter of individual capacities. The Imam informed the Jamat about approving the text, so every Ismaili is aware of it.

There’s no compulsion in religion, (I never said there was so) you’re ...