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mazharshah wrote:Imam Jafar Sadiq's hadith is, there are 7 pillars of Islam and FASTING is one of them.

Ya Aly Madad Mazharshah.I am interested in discussing the above. I have sent you a private message (PM) you. Please kindly respond to me. Thanks!

...youths are wandering today for answers.
Ya Aly Madad everyone. I want to take a moment to thank from those that I am getting great feedback from "kmaherali", "nuseri", "mazharshah", "admin" and many more.

I came to this forum to learn a better way to educate and explain to the youths. In my ...

Everything else is only semantics.
Well to you it might be but not to me. I am required by Allah to pay Zakat and I am required to know if that is included in the Dasond.

You may give to the Dasond whatever name and may divide it in 12.5% or 5%+7.5% or 10% + 2.5% or whatever suits you.
What ...

We Ismaili have the blessings of the freedom to think.

No Admin, we do not have the freedom to think nonsense. Our Imam has put upon us a mission to raise the standard as the Din of the Intellect.

It is you who feels that you have the freedom to think in whatever illogically way you can. Sorry ...

we are allowed to have our interpretation

Honestly, what in the world is this answer Admin. There are 3 variations of Dasond and none in a sane mind can answer a simple question of what is a Dasond and how it relates back to Zakat and into history.

We as Ismailis who have a Living Imam has no ...

According to Imam Sultan Muhammad Shah, the Quranic term Ushr (10%) should be interpreted as Dasond.
BTW, according to Encyclopaedia of Ismailism by Mumtaz Ali Tajddin, Ushr is a tax levied only on the Muslims as a land revenue chiefly on agriculture. So why are we paying Ushr to the Imam on land ...

...oh I mean junglinasal oh sorry junglikhan

Admin, as I have said to you earlier that you need to maintain integrity to this forum. There is no need to get personal with remarks to low as the ones posted by"ismaili103".

Brother "ismaili103", do you really call your fellow brothers and sisters ...

According to Imam Sultan Muhammad Shah, the Quranic term Ushr (10%) should be interpreted as Dasond.
Dasond is not khums, ushr, zakat
The tenth part of the income is separated along with 2½ zakat, making the deduction of 12½ from the income. The tenth part solely belongs to the Imam, while 2½ ...

Dasond is not khums, ushr, zakat

Once I asked this question to an Alwaez and was told that Zakat is included in our Dasond. There is an article on Heritage Society (Ismaili.net) on this same forum that states the following:

The tenth part of the income is separated along with 2½ zakat, making ...

...we define Dasond as 12.5% which no one can force you to pay [/i]. Actually we can safely challenge anyone who says there is any compulsion in paying Dasond.

But "kmaherali" posted this in another thread

A have heard an anecdote where a poor couple with 7 children approached MSMS in private ...

This section is on FASTING

Any other discussion should be held on the appropriate thread. Enough repeated. Your discussion on dassond and ginans etc... has already been replied umpteen times so please read the appropriate thread before asking questions that have been asked already. this is plain ...

How can you explain if a poor person has 7 kids to support and he hardly makes his both ends meet, can't spare money for Dasond is not eligible for constant presence of Imam though he is regular in his Dua/Bandagi.

Great question mazharshah and it requires deeper conversation as there are doubts ...

My humble question; After hazrat Usman Mowla Ali was caliph for almost 5 years, why not he corrected the alterations made in Quran, still 70% suhaba were alive to verify with them and rewrite the Quran in original form. Why not succeeding Imams corrected the Quran if there were discrepancies ...

Dasond and rituals are related as per verses of the Anant Akhado.

Brother kmaherali, it is difficult for me to say this but Ginan has been a vehicle to convert the people of Gujarat from their native Hindu religion into Islam through their cultural medium. Therefore, there are several terms ...

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Thank you for your kind words. I appreciate it. I hope your Khusyali went well today.

How can you explain if a poor person has 7 kids to support and he hardly makes his both ends meet, can't spare money for Dasond is not eligible for constant presence of Imam though he is regular in his Dua/Bandagi.

Great question mazharshah and it requires deeper conversation as there are doubts ...

Salegrih Mubarak to all...

Khusyali Mubarak to everyone on this forum. Yesterday, there was a beautiful farman on intellect . Our Imam has always emphasize that our tariqah is the tariqah of human intellect.

May we all continue our journey through intellectualism. I appreciate several responses ...

The book of Farman is old and yes its not published by Tariqah Board

...Tariqah board only published 400 verse in the book and deliberately ignored 100 verses...

Ismaili103, you seem to be living in the world of past Imams and their farmans. What makes Ismailis unique from Itn-Ashari and ...

Yes I have that Farman, its written in gujarati book of Farman of Imam Sultan Mohammad Shah

Thank you for your efforts in getting the farman. But I am expecting authentic farman. It has to be printed and published by Tariqah Board and approved by our Present Living Imam. Anything else is of no ...

And according to another hadith of Prophet Mohammad " Ali is bolta Quran".

You did not quote me the farman where the Imam has said that the Qur'an is corrupted. You also did not quote which hadith you are extracting this statement from.

What you are doing is making statements without facts and ...

And Mowla knows within the span of these 1400 years how many times that book corrupted and changed, and definitely it had corrupted according to Imam Sultan Mohammad Shah's Farman.

I am here to learn and I would appreciate if you can direct me to the farman where Imam Sultan Mohammad Shah has ...

BTW during Ramadan all flight to hot n lusty destination go full from Arab countries to avoid this.

You are absolutely right. This is all rubbish indeed. BTW, do you have any article or reference for the statement you just made above. If you don't have one, then, I'm afraid you don't realize that ...

Imam followed the tradition of Ibn ul Waqt, change according to time.

Again, very well said.

As an Ismaili, it is our core fundamentals of our Tariqah that we are only to take guidance from our Living Imam. You will find several of our Ismaili brothers and sisters who will continue to quote ...

You are selective, you picked the sentence of your choice to hit me, and neglecting 3 other crucial points.

When Quran, Farman, and Ginan prescribe fasting then we Ismailis have no choice but to fast.

Well said Mazharshah...you will always find people who will continue to ridicule as they will ...

Why are you forcing those that don't believe in it to fast.

Shams, I believe you are linguistically challenged. It appears that you seem to have a rather poor grip of the English language. When did I ever make any statement on forcing you? Are you serious? Base on your response, I feel it is the ...

Being an Ismaili I fast because;
1. Quran says." 0 ye who believe, fasting is prescribed for you as it was prescribed for those before you, so that you acquire Taqwa. (al Baqara 2/183 )

2. MSMS said, " Haqiqati Mo'min NOT ONLY fast in the month of Ramadhan but for him 360 days are like fasting ...

Based upon your logic - you should wear shoes inside JK.

As Hazar Imam wears his shoes inside JK.

Shams.



Shams, you really need to start respecting fellow Ismaili brothers and sisters beliefs. I have read your responses and often you come across to ridicule our brothers and sisters. I have ...

You are right, we are not excused of food-fasting, we are forbidden of food-fasting in that month.

With all due respect Admin, I respect your beliefs. But I disagree with your message that we as Ismailis are forbidden. By saying "we", you have included me with your beliefs. Unfortunately, I don't ...

"I feel the above statement made recently by MHI is very significant and we need to reflect upon it in light of our discussion on fasting, namaz etc. In my opinion it says a great deal about his vision for the future and perhaps his 'Zahurat".

Can you please explain to me what is Zahurat? I am ...

you comes up with a conclusion that we have to observe fast because Imam never make any Farman on it.

I didn't conclude that the Imam has indirectly ordained us. Are you serious? No, it is ordained by ALLAH who has said so in the Qur'an (2:183).

Yes, I agree that spiritual fasting and abstinence ...