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Are you differentiating between Ismaili and The Imam ?

In other words, is our Imam Ismaili or not?

So, your reference to Constitution is irrelevant..

The Imam is NOT an Ismaili. He is already PURE and PERFECT. He does not have to do Ibadat to elevate his soul. He does not have to attend JK to ...

BTW, you need to make a correction about the link you provided to the Qasida. The author of the qasida "Ta surat-e paiwand-e Jahan..." is not Shams Tabriz, but it's Rumi. Since you know Persian can you provide a translation, if not of the entire poem just the phrase "Ali bud" , thanks ...

I knocked on heart’s door, for heart I crave
Came, "who knocks?" I said, "heart’s slave!"
The bright beams of love shone through the door’s crack
Upon the passers by, and lit up that deep black
Wave upon wave of lovely beams, my heart was over-run
Compared to this bright light, were pale the moon ...

In what language MSMS at age of 8 delivered his very first Farman / Khutba, was that Arabic, Persian, English, or Hindi/Urdu. Also who wrote that Khutba. Your question demonstrates your total ignorance of the status of the Imam. He made Farman ex-tempore and you know what he said as an 8 year old ...

To Kmaherali,

Who will teach and explain esoteric knowledge of our Tariqa to youths. I don't find any such thing in present curriculum of RCs. At primary level you can't teach them the courses of post graduate level.
Esoteric teaching is related to BK, How many are present prorie. Those who do ...

Ya Ali madad.
What is difference between ask any member even if they dislike my guts and aggressive pitch.
1.Pir is Noor E Mohammed,so to visit for HAJJ to see what his followers are doing 700 year after he gave them two things.
If Ali would have so desired, he had power to mermerize the attendees ...

To Kmaherali,

Who will teach and explain esoteric knowledge of our Tariqa to youths. I don't find any such thing in present curriculum of RCs. At primary level you can't teach them the courses of post graduate level.
Esoteric teaching is related to BK, How many are present prorie. Those who do not ...

[You are aware that in students mullaqats, student ask blunt questions.
Today's youth do not accept the words like Taqiya, Ta'weel, Batini, or diplomatic approach. They want answers in yes/no format. Their question, Is Imam God? They want answer yes or no. They do not want zahiri this and batini ...

He was hafiz i Quran, his livelyhood came from writing (kitabat) of Quran but asked converters to read 4 vedas and not Quran or tranlation of Quran, if they knew not Arabic.
There is a Ginanic verse which states:

http://ismaili.net/heritage/node/23179

trann trann ved na dhee-aavo muneevar bhaai ...

Ya Ali madad.
MHI is directing towards Sufi tariqa,(esoteric) .Yes there is been a gradual process to contain material of tradition.
For youth Mhi is forming solution to remember God all the time as low attendance in Jk may be foreseen.
He is hinting at future n past of the dead era.
I said word ...

Ya Ali Madad.
One is not feeling shame less at all inspite of being kicked out.It is true that devil has no self respect.His words are in absolute threatened mode.
He is challenging Admin who know the history that son of Hasan bin Sabah was born Ismaili when eased out for good.
Admin has two choice ...

It is strange pir Sadruddin performed Hajj and ask converties to go to Kashi and Mathura for Hajj.

Please give your reference first. Who wrote what about ismailis going for hajj to Kashi and Mathura? if you do not have a reference saying specifically that Ismailis are told to go to Kashi for ...

Just information:
Namaz e janaza of Mowla Murtaza Ali was performed by Hazrat Hasan with
4 Takbirs. ( Tarikh Hazrat Ali Murtaza, written by Khwaja Sultan Ali Fidai, Karachi, p-270)
During Fatimi Caliphat 5 Takbirs were said. ( Fatimi Tariqa )
In 20th century MSMS allowed 4 Takbirs according to Sunni ...

No doubt Pirs were right; but collectors, compilers and transliteraters made blunders in compiling ginans. I understand they were not research scholars
and linguists, mostly they knew not Arabi, Persians, Sindhi or Punjabi words used by pirs. They tried to insert Gujrati words as substitute for ...

I respect and obey farmans. I try not to cross bridge or red line. In the first
farman which you quoted of Kisumu, 1981, particularily Imam has addressed to Kenya Jamaits, though he said not to cross the bridge, same time he has given option" unless there are special reasons to do so".. What would ...

Rumy used Shams analogy in terms of Noor, means for him Shams was Noorullah as we Ismailis say " Imam is Noor of Allah or Imam as Noor i Dhat i Illahi". I think you have not read what Rumi said. I am quoting again...

It is not right that I should call you human [banda, servant]
But I am afraid to ...

From Divan Shams Tabriz

I need a lover and a friend
All friendships you transcend
And impotent I remain

You are Noah and the Ark
You are the light and the dark
Behind the veil I remain

You are passion and are rage
You are the bird and the cage
Lost in flight I remain

You are the wine and the cup ...

What do you think, every ismaili believe that Hazir Imam is Allah, Out of 25 million ismailies, I can say that those who belive that Imam is Allah are around 0.1 % of 25 million, and what do you think they shout in public that Ali is Allah. Ofcourse not.


You refuted your previous claims, now you ...

Very nice poem, thanks for sharing. No wonder MSMS told us to read the books of Mowlana Rumi to get a better understanding of our faith.

Given that Shams was God to Rumi as alluded above, why do you have a problem with murids of the Imam calling him God? Isn't it the same understanding that Rumi ...

What we understand from Hidayat of Hazar Imam, that he wants Ismailis should enter main stream of Islam by not disturbing old Ismaili traditions. We understand problems of youth because as youth we had same kind of problems. We ask them and help them to understand meaning of Du'a, to understand ...

According you Imam is not interested in quantity!

It is not according to me. it is the Imam Himself who has said that he is not interested in quantity.

What you are preaching is completely against our Imam.

Shouting on the roof that you are Ismaili does not change the fact that many times ...

What we understand from Hidayat of Hazar Imam, that he wants Ismailis should enter main stream of Islam by not disturbing old Ismaili traditions

You understanding is completely wrong and you are imparting that wrong understanding to others. Imam is not interested in quantity, he has said so ...

Divan i Shams Tabriz or Kulliyat i Shams Tabriz or Divan i Kabir as it is called, is a master piece of Mowlana Rumi contains 44,282 lines. The Divan is filled with ecstatic verses which Rumi expresses his mystical love for Shams as a symbol of his love for God. Rumi sees Shams every where and in ...

To Admin,
Message from Mazhar Shah to Admin as received,
You wrote to Nuseri,

Nuseiri in many of his posting is completely screwed up. Agreed But he does not hide himself behind different aliases. You do. This is why you got deleted first. it does not mean others will not follow.

I am sad that ...

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 20, 2015 9:35 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
nuseri wrote:
ya ALI madad.
I feel a member are trying to reply is TOTALLY fxxxxd n screwed up non Ismaili imam hater.
A line of of that of cursed person is real punishement to admin after ...

It was ABU SA'ID ABUL KHAYR who officially established first Khaniqah or Jamait khana in Nishapur for sufi practice.

http://instituteofismailistudies.deployview.co.uk/iis.ac.uk/SiteAssets/pdf/Muslim%20Spaces%20of%20Piety%20and%20Worship%20-%20K%20Jiwani%20-%202006.pdf


Mr.Chatur,
It looks like you have given sunni version of 4 famous silsilas of sufi order.
It is informative but these have nothing to do with ...

As I know neither Arab Ismailis nor Central Asian Ismailis or Chinese Ismailis believe in this doctrine.

And how can you know that, do you meet each and every central asian Ismailis who are living in the area spreading over 4 million sq km., do you meet each and every Arab Ismailis who are living ...

When I asked question, " Where in Quran is mentioned 'LAKH CHORASI NA PHERA' from 103, AK, KM or yourself,you promptly and deliberately deleted all my postings.
If you read the whole thread, there is a Farman of MSMS mentioning Lakh Chorasi. Isn't that sufficient for you? Do you have to match ...

Where in Quran is mentioned 'LAKH CHORASI NA PHERA

Yes is not mentioned in Quran, because Quran is not in its real form in todays era, there are issues in Quran like contradiction, incomplete etc. we had tell you this in past. And according to Imam Sultan Mohd Shah farman Quran is changed and not ...