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From where the name of Sadardin as a king poped up at that time

KING OF THE ERA/ TIME.

It means Pir Saddardin is the King of this era which started from Mowla Ali and will last at the end of the earth.

Nothing new, Pir Saddardin said the same thing in his ab e shafa Ginan "Hanspuri nagri mahe ...

But you did not elaborate the phrases ,'THROUGH NOOR OF ALI, THROUGH NOOR OF IMAMAT. Why Imam used the word THROUGH? Through the NOOR of Piratan you attain the Imam (He who is above all else.

We are all familiar with the verse:

Nabi Muhammad bujo bhai to tamo pamo Imam.

Through Nabi Muhammad ...

SAAMI RAJA ADAM NUHA IBRAHIM
NOOR E MUSA WA NOOR E ESSA TU HI TU
SAMI RAJA NOOR E MUHAMMAD TE NOOR E ALI MURTAZA
CHARHIYA TE SIRI ISLAM SHAH JI
PIR SADRUDDIN.
This is a corruption! The actual verses are:

saamee raajaa machchh korabh vaaraa narshee(n)h
vaaemann farseeraam sree raam tu(n ...

I have read the will, farmans and I know well history of MSMS. I know Imam is also pir, you did not understood my point. When Imam makes a farman in what capacity he does, obviously as a Imam and not a pir.
My argument with Kmaherali is that when I quoted farman of Hazar Imam in which he used the ...

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In description of 10th avatar ie Ali, the name of Mowla Ali's mother is mentioned ZULEKHA WHICH IS WRONG. The name of Mowla Ali's mother was ...

MHI also says to understand the concept of God in accordance to Surah Ikhlas, which we (Ismailis) read 3 times a day as part of our Du'a.

Allah is one and unique, Allah manifested on earth in the form of Imam, thats why Imam is Allah.

Water remains the same if it either put in glass or a bowl ...

When you knew why you wasted your time to know it again.?
What I did not know was what the Qadi said about the actions of the Imam. Remember you said that I was ignoring what the Qadi said and was only focussing on Tusi. So I wanted to know what Qadi said about the actions of the Imam and not ...

Is not our every Imam called Ali? Every Imam being called Ali means that they bear the same Noor. That does not mean that every Imam must behave like Ali. Each Imam lives in his own time and age and hence Imams will differ in their actions.


Right, each Imam lives in his own time and age, that's ...

Let me ask you, can the concepts be changed according to time?
The current farman is ALIULLAH which means ALI IS FROM ALLAH as explained by Imam of the time. So there is no comparison just follow the current farman of present Imam, he knows better. The notion of Ali Sahi Allah has existed since ...

Let me ask you, can the concepts be changed according to time?
The current farman is ALIULLAH which means ALI IS FROM ALLAH as explained by Imam of the time. So there is no comparison just follow the current farman of present Imam, he knows better. The notion of Ali Sahi Allah has existed since ...

nuseri wrote:Ya Ali Madad.
I have for 'NafsEKul' have very CLEARLY asked for Ismaili haqiqat to copy paste translated Persian material.It excludes any tariqati level and definitely not to any ignorant non Ismaili.

Wise man learn about Ismaili terminologies and then argue. Nafs e Kul is on third level.

The current farman is ALIULLAH which means ALI IS FROM ALLAH

How do you translate Rassulillah? It is Rassul OF Allah, not Rassul is from Allah!

So now translate Aliullah and be consistent.


Admin,
You deleted my answer to your above post. This is called dishonesty and in Urdu 'BADNIYYATI'. I ...

Ya Ali Madad.
If at all I am told to address ALI in person my first choice would be
cal him as Khudavind,If that is not allowed then My Belevod Spiritual Father.
and after it would be as Hazar Imam.
It is amusing that our Alwaez ,bhagats and leaders never asked MHI asked the question of this ...

A question to All.
Is status MHI as Spiritual Father to all of humanity is notch above or below the status/identification the status and identification as IMAM???
I may consider an Ismaili refusing this status as a Non ismaili even if born as one from my angle and perception

GHAR ME HEERE ...

Please reply to my question: Where did you see the name Allah? Why are you trying to deviate the issue.

The issue is that you are trying to mislead constantly the reader by mixing your own interpretation with what others are posting and you are trying to make it look like this is what has been ...

I prefer farman. I have quoted one of 1966 which you discussed but not accepting it. Imam said;
THROUGH NOOR OF ALI, THROUGH NOOR OF IMAMAT ONE SEEK TO COME CLOSE TO HE WHO IS ABOVE ALL ELSE. Above all else is Allah.
Interviews and articles clearify further and enhance the vision.

I suggest you ...

So you are equating Imam to Jesus as he has been mentioning as holy father.
You keep deleting my posts which goes against you, as you did before blocking previous thread.

This is why I keep deleting your post. You are misrepresenting each and every person's comment. I have said Hazar Imam is our ...

Ya Ali madad:

jesus called God as his spiritual/Holy father.Called out the name of Eli in hebrew, pronounced as ALI verbally.

understand that Jesus is holy son or spiritual son.and not father
If we reply from our heart YES MY DEAR SPIRITIUAL FATHER we Ismailis raise our level to that of Jesus ...

I wished Hasan bin Sabbah around today to discipline Ismailis.

If Hassan bin Sabbah was alive, you would be his first casualty. So please do not even dare call his name.

I don't know about Jesus, he is not my concern.

Our Imam is our Spiritual father, in fact we are his spiritual children. If ...

Quoting a paragraph from Dua'm you asked for;

I knew what written in the Daimul Islam about Imamat. Remember that this work was addressed to the entire Muslim Umma, hence it must be considered as a Zaheri document of faith just like our constitution.

We cannot expect batini statements such as ...

To Admin: Ya Ali Madad.
If you are the elder brother of the house and taking care of the family.
one brother suddenly turns up claiming to be a family member.
he has cosmetic respect for your father but within himself he very much
suspects and dislike the father and try to poison others on ...

Another Ithnashari believe, according yo them every Imam is another Imam, to them there is no concept Noor and we can cleary see that in you.

So what do you think, Imam Shah hassan ali, Imam aga Ali Shah and Imam Sultan mohd Shah who cleary declared them self Allah in there many Farmans are ...

Ya Ali Madad.
I liked the refined posting of ShamsB to the leaving creature to just get lost.
Firstly as a devout Ismaili(faithful is higher status).
First come the UNDERSTANDING not copy pasting of Farman,then Quran only if can understand deeply,Ginan an qasidas of ruhaniyat essence, then come ...

So how come you didn't call Tret out for using an interview given to a Western Journalist - that wasn't readily made available to the Jamat unlike other events?

Apply the same standard to all postings - versus picking and choosing.

Shams


I prefer farman. I have quoted one of 1966 which you ...

Both wives of Imam became Muslims and changed to Islamic names and became Ismailis

None became Ismaili. They became Muslim and after that married the Imam. if you have any evidence that they became Ismaili while married to the Imam put it here else do not make misleading statements.

Mata Salamat ...

What written proof you have that Mata Salamat was not Ismaili at time of MSMS. Difference between Hazar Imam and Mata Salamat arose because she disobeyed Imam when Imam asked her not to accompany last burial ceremonies of MSMS, but she did with few other ladies.
Begum Salimah and Begum Anara ...

You have twisted my statement as usual like a political leader. Won't work.
I have not written that Imam and his sons should learn from history. . Then, what was the purpose of asking: "Did Mowla Ali's sons or Imam Ja'far's sons not attended daily prayers?"

You wrote," Imam do not attend the ...

You have twisted my statement as usual like a political leader. Won't work.
I have not written that Imam and his sons should learn from history. . Then, what was the purpose of asking: "Did Mowla Ali's sons or Imam Ja'far's sons not attended daily prayers?"

You wrote," Imam do not attend the ...

You have twisted my statement as usual like a political leader. Won't work.
I have not written that Imam and his sons should learn from history. . Then, what was the purpose of asking: "Did Mowla Ali's sons or Imam Ja'far's sons not attended daily prayers?"

You wrote," Imam do not attend the ...

Good to see you back. Do you have any historical written evidence. I my self have caught many coined stories by some senior missionaries! Lady Ali Shah passed away in Iraq, can you give the name of Mukhi?

I am here in this forum everyday!! so there is no question to come back for me! about your ...