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So already there was one God i.e Hazrat Abu Talib and in his presence another God Ali was born. Chi bu'al jaibi ast. He who is born can't be God. You are giving example of ESSENCE but in universe every particle has Allah's ESSENCE.
The Momin Chatamini with translation published by ITREB does not ...

Karim, what kind of LOGISTIC or ACCESSIBILITY issues? Were those Dus Avtars heavy enough to carry there. Or that philosophy needed heavy cranes to put on ship to carry that heavy weight to Central Asian countries!! Logistics and accessibility involves the institutional capacity to access the ...

O momins: In the beginning and in the void,
Prophet Muhammed the Chosen was there. It is indeed the same Guide
(Peer) who has come to the Indian Subcontinent.

In primordial time Allah created Noor e Ali and Noor e Muhammadi same time. Prophet said," Ana wa Aliyyun min Noorin wahid".
Physically ...

Physically Prophet first appeared in Mecca and not in Junmpu dweep. The point being made is that the Pir who came to the SubContinent has the same Noor as that of Prophet Muhammad. Hence Salwaat is recited upon them as well.

Why Noor needs Salawaat?
In my opinion a mureed should recite tasbih of ...

Twice Admin deleted my reply to kmaherali. Let me try again. There is no insults or abuses in my post

PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 7:03 am Post subject: Reply with quote

FreeLancer wrote:

Is Dus Avtar a concept, a philosophy, a tradition, or is it included in Tenets of Ismailism? If that is so ...

A serious question; Is Mowla Ali son of Allah according to Ginan? Farzand means son. From the Batini perspective His father Hazarat Abu Talib was the Imam and Imams are of course Allah according to the same Granth verse 88:

88) Eji Te satguru sahebjieay sreva kari
Shukrana kidha ati apaar
Ali ...

Please stop making comment on sufi vocabulary. Mysticism is not found in Hindi-English dictionary and the rules of posting do not allow you to do a mockery of Imam's family, which you have done more than once on this Forum.

I do not mind your bashing, I am habitual of it. I debate with proofs ...

When some one die, it is said in Urdu 'INTAQAL KAR GAYA' means 'MUNTAQIL HO GAYA'. Intaqal ia an Arabic word means 'to transfer'. The soul is transferred from DARUL FANA TO DARUL BAQA.

Slawat includes progeny of Imam. Aal Ali thi Pir kari janro. Pirs are from the progeny of Ali therefore it is appropriate to say Salwat on the name of the Pir whenever it occurs, particularly at the end of a Ginan.
The appropriate verses of a Ginan:

ejee aal imaam kee peer karee jaanno
jethee ...

I was roaming on U Tube and come across a Qawwali sung by late Amjad Sabri Qawwal. The theme of Qawwali is " ALI KE SAATH HAI ZAHRA KI SHADI". Also I have heard before such type of Qawwali sung by some Indian Qawwal.
There is an important couplet sung in this particular Qawwali and that is;
LADKA ...

On suggestion of Admin the discussion is moved from Darshan of Dus Avtar to thread Dus Avtar.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 6:47 am Post subject: Reply with quote

FreeLancer wrote:

Is Dus Avtar a concept, a philosophy, a tradition, or is it included in ...

You wanted to trap me for last sentence and I gave you my understanding.

I can see that you have been trapped and are stuttering here.

What a philosophical reply by you.. I haven't got any reply from kmaherali on my that post for which you are stuttering.

JO KAREY HAI AAP KAREY HAI
HAME(N ...

Is Dus Avtar a concept, a philosophy, a tradition, or is it included in Tenets of Ismailism? If that is so special or beneficial, Why Imam did not introduced this philosophy to jamaits of Central Asia, or Middle East.
The paragraph you quoted from Memoirs suggests that like Abraham, and Jesus ...

On U tube, I was listening to a lecture by Alwaiz Kamal Saheb. He quoted a Farman of Hazar Imam in which Imam said," Recite salawat only on Prophet and Imams and not even on Pirs".
I uaually say salawat tasbih for ruhanis of my family, are these salawats valid or not? Also in JK for samar salawat ...

I am posting this paragraph from the thread you mentioned. It is from Tazim Kassim's book.

"After a great deal of time had elapsed, Pir Shams al-Din, suffering from hunger, begged the people for some food. However, nobody paid any attention to him. A butcher took heart and gave him a piece of ...

You and none of other member of this Forum answered me about my query.
Why Dus Avtars made compulsory for Satpunthi khojas and not imposed on Central Asians, Afghan, Chinese, or Arab Ismailis? As I have mentioned before hardly any Central Asian Ismaili knows about Dus Avtars, or familiar with ...

On U tube, I was listening to a lecture by Alwaiz Kamal Saheb. He quoted a Farman of Hazar Imam in which Imam said," Recite salawat only on Prophet and Imams and not even on Pirs".
I uaually say salawat tasbih for ruhanis of my family, are these salawats valid or not? Also in JK for samar salawat ...

It is also Farman of Imam Sultan Muhammad Shah in Kalam e Imam e Mubin, "Forget previous 9 Avtars".
August 1899. Jungbar. Would you be able to quote the paragraph in which he said that?

I am sure you know the paragraph but you want to trap me.

Imam Sultan Muhammad Shah said; It is in Gujrati ...

Why I do not believe in Dus Avtars? The reason is the 3rd Avtar 'Varaha Avtar'. Varaha (Boar) means a male wild pig. In Islam and Judaism a pig is a unholy animal whose meat is haraam, not kosher. How come Khojas Ismailis of subcontinent relate Hazar Imam with an unholy animal?
I hate it, is there ...

Dus Avtar is not a part of Ismaili Tenets, neither it was nor is. Dus Avtar was a strong conversion tool used by Pirs successfully 600/700 years back. In Urdu it is said; RAAT GAI BAAT GAI. How do you understand the Farman below?

"The philosophy of Ten Incarnations (DAS AVTAAR) should be taken ...

Definitely in new Du'a there is no mention of Dus Avtars, was it included in old Du'a?

Why Imam Sultan Muhammad Shah kept showing Dus Avtars to some particular persons or a person and not other jamait members? Why Shah Karim has not shown such kind of miracle, never heard. The Imam decides where when or to whom to perform the miracles. In this particular situation the group was ...

Why I do not believe in Dus Avtars? The reason is the 3rd Avtar 'Varaha Avtar'. Varaha (Boar) means a male wild pig. In Islam and Judaism a pig is a unholy animal whose meat is haraam, not kosher. How come Khojas Ismailis of subcontinent relate Hazar Imam with an unholy animal?
I hate it, is there ...

ANA WA ALIYYUN MIN NOORIN WAHID.

GAR JUDA DAANI ALI AZ MUSTAFA
DUSHMAN E JAANAT KHUDA E KIBRIYA AST

RUMI

When interviewer asked Imam whether he is God? Imam promptly said it is blasphemous. As I said before, the issue is not that simple. Let us consider the question and answer.

Mawlana Hazar Imam was asked: "One of the myths surrounding you is that some people in the West think of you as a living ...

As some where I mentioned in my previous post that when a missionary mentioned the event of Pir Shams miracle of descending sun to cook a piece of meat. They surrounded missionary and asked about the scientific reason. The incident is described at:

Pre-Fatimid --> Pir Shams - Voyage - Multan ...

Many stories mentioned in the book named "Mowla ni Madur Vaato" written by Soraab Turabi proved to be fake. I do not want to criticize his niyat because 100+ years back it was a practice by senior missionaries to coin such fake stories to make Iman strong of momins. I have heard many in waizes ...

Killings is going on of innocent people, rapes are unchecked, people are dying of hunger. Might is right. What Naklanki is doing to stop them. Naklanki says, until both parties won't agree, I shall not be mediator. Who will stop cruelties. Nietzsche wrote." God is dead". It seems that you have not ...

Appreciate your approach but ground realities are different. Modern youth is most advanced because of internet. Approach of youth is 'I believe what I see', who will wait for batini results. Past 20+ years Imam has also changed his approach to wards youth, you can feel it when Imam addresses youth ...

But evil forces are still around here. Look at the sufferings of humanity. We don't see 10th Avtar has turned the tables so far. 70% out of 7.5 billions do not have clean drinking water. More than 50% population hardly have one time food. Killings sky rocketed. Where is peace of mind and peace on ...