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So anyone has figured out "What Nur is?"

For example, if tomorrow two sons of the Imam claim that they are the next Imam after him - and you have to choose - there is no Will - there is no official declaration. How will you know which one is the right Imam? How will you recognize who actually has ...

Reincarnation is not included in Tenets of Ismailism. Why I do not remember my previous life, why I can't recall my sins or blunders. Even in front of a judge prosecutor reads the charges. If there are no charges means case should be dismissed, then why sufferings!

I agree with you on this and so ...

Of course prayer can take different forms. As I have already mentioned in my post that we are trained, guided, and disciplined in that regard and it has become our habit to depend upon higher authority for help. In religious books and even in ginans it is suggested, why to struggle because it is ...

Shery, so you think that Imam is starting BK majlis because of materialism.

Nope, I don't. I mentioned in an earlier post that prophet muhammad use to go in a cave to do Ibadat. The Imam has mentioned that this practice of BuK was done since the time of the Prophet and continues until Today. My ...

In my opinion it is sensation, feeling, mental state.


I fully agree with this - the presence of God is a feeling, a mental state, a belief - if it was a physical or even a supernatural experience then there would not be so many different religions. Everyone would be able to see or ...

Prayer can take many forms:

1) You pray because since childhood that is what you were taught to do.

2) You pray when you want something material - admission in school, that job, wealth, health etc.

3) You pray when you admire gods blessings - you got into the school, you got that job, you got ...

There are jamats that don't have niaz and ghatpat ceremonies.
There are jamats that don't have jamatkhanas
There are jamats that don't have HI picture in jamatkhanas
There are jamats that don't have Ginans

The starting of BuK in northern areas is a testament of the importance of BuK.

There could ...

kmaherali said: "Noorani Deedar means a total experience of awe, wonder filled with peace, love and contentment felt by an individual with or without any Zaheri perspective. It is something that is given and not acquired. Noorani Deedar is a subset of Batini Deedar. This is the Deedar that we all ...

It is in this light that, in Shia Ismaili Islam, the Imam-of-the-Time recognises a variety of prayers, tasbihs, Bait-ul-Khayal, Qaseedas, Ginans, by which an individual can submit to the Divine and protect himself or herself against the materialism of secular life, and the many other challenges of ...

So not sure why we need to sit in Bandagi to find this Light. The people on ismaili.net have been quite gracious in giving that Light :) On a serious note, Banadagi is not the only means of finding the Light. There are other means as well including this forum!

"The way to elevate your souls is ...

These words Allah, God, Noor, Soul, Big Bang are all in the same category. No one can proof its existence, however, they are necessary as we don't know the real answer to the question "where did we come from?" It is true that such answers are not known through ordinary means. However they can be ...

Since there is no standard definition of the word Noor, Noorani Deedar could mean different things to different people. To some it means spiritual enlightenment (leading to Ali-Allah), to some it means Soul, to some it means Light (Guidance), to some it means (Ab-e-Shafa), to some it means (Ginans ...

"And it is My strongest prayer that, at least once during your lifetime, each one of you should be successful, that you should find that Light [Noor]"

Based on the discussions on this form, I think most would state that the notion of accepting the concept of Ali-Allah is finding that Light/Noor ...

Freelancer, I did not expect to get this response on this forum. I'm quite impressed. Thanks much for sharing your thoughts.

The most interesting were the first couple lines:

"The Noor is a mystery as the Soul is. Infact Noor and Soul are same. Allah says in Quran that you (human beings) have ...

Thanks kmaherali

What is Nur?

Is it an awareness, realization, feeling, belief that it is present? Or there is some extraordinary experience where you find yourself immersing in the Nur and you can experience it first hand (a magical experience)?

There are a lot of documents/papers like Noor-en-Noor that talk ...

Ya Ali Madad.
please explain the Baatin of the surah word by word.
I do not pray much Dua.but breathing n living in ALI 24X7
at Baatin level the Sharia and recitation n body posturing has no role.
it is two way commune with GOD/ALI.
the word Allah without essence of ALI is like a paper to ...

Your use of the word "interpreted" displays uncertainty. "Sahi" is not a Gujarati word

Who told you that Sahi is not Gujarati word? matter of fact it is still used in North Gujarat, I have many friends they use sahi words in the their daily talk! Don't forget that I have doctorate degree in ...

The expression of "Ali Sahi Allah" is Urdu or Gujrati, I assume?
Can you tell me what's its literal translation? (I know every may interpret it differently, but just literal, word to word translation).

Is Sahi = Correct/True/Real
or Is Sahi derived from the word "Shah"?


In some context of ...

The expression of "Ali Sahi Allah" is Urdu or Gujrati, I assume?

"Sahi" means True not only in Urdu, Gujarati, as you mentioned above AJ, but its has same meaning in Hindi, Sindhi, Katchhi, Sanskrit and Prakrit languages too.

Thanks for clarification.

In Urdu: it means "Allah comes from Ali ...

Agakhani.

I have access to translations of two "old dua"

1) from the ismaili.net website
2) from the haji bibi case

If you have any other translations, please feel free to post them.

However, the translation that is posted on the "ismaili.net" website is reflective of our current dua. Most of ...

Admin - I am not saying this. Both these dua's are in front of you. Please do a line by line comparison and you will figure out the differences. I guess you have not done the comparison.

They are exactly the same, except for the Hindu concepts.

It is not a Ghatpat dua, as both starts in the same ...

Agakhani - here is the old dua (asal dua as you call it).

http://www.ismaili.net/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=phpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=69&start=0

I hope you take the time to read the old dua. It has Aliyuallah and no mention of Hindu concepts.


Now here is the old dua from the haji bibi case ...

I have not had the chance to validate the "Vadi Firman" quoted, so I won't comment on that. However, everything else that you have claimed has a flaw in the evidence provided.

Dua - there was no change. Old dua has Aliyuallah. New dua has Aliyuallah.

Ali'yuallah as I earlier defined means "Ali ...

Shams, I hope you can address some of the questions that I have raised regarding the words that were changed. I have raised a similar concern in the "Books" forum ---> Asal Dua. Would be interested in your thoughts.

The translation posted on this forum is quite different from the one posted on the "Haji Bibi Case" under doowa. Star_Munir where did you source this translation that you have posted from, as it is quite different.


This verse does not exist in the translation that you have provided. Please ...

I agree with _thaillestlunatic_ that it means the same.

During the first Ismaili Mission conference MSMS made the following remark on the issue:

"Then when last in Bombay 8 years ago, many of our people came to me and requested to add just one word in Dua, and then they said, everything is ...

Imam Hasan Ali Shah's farrman # 3

Imam Hasan Ali Shah told: One day prophet Mohd was sited with his holy family then bibi Fateha (s..a.) asked him: hai dad! please show me the Allah? then rasool told her that Allah's hand on Imam hussein. at this moments H. Ali put his own hand on the head of ...

Imam Hasan Ali Shah's farman

Farman#2:
Do not think that mowla is different and Allah is different!! imam Hussain is different! nope they all have same noor and Mowla Murtaza ali is the true Allah angles are also born from this noor.

Year and place: ibidem, as above

I don't think anyone is ...

Imam Hasan Ali Shah's farman
If you believe Shah & Pir as a true Allah, then I will be your witness on the day of Kayamat, (judgment) and I will not let you become unhappy even in this world too. Sanvat 1940: year 1858 Mumbai.


So now we believe that "PIR" is also Allah. If PIR was Allah as well ...