Ghirbhawali by Pir Sdardin

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Ghirbhawali by Pir Sdardin

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I am looking for Ghirbhawali by Pir Sdardin?

Where can I get this book?
I didn't find in my JK library...
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The book "Pir Sadruddin na Grantho" has it. There are two granths; Girbhavali nani (the small Girbhavali) and the Girbhavali Shastra (the scriptural Girbhavali).
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Post by atik »

YAM,

I am very interested in reading the Girbhavali by Pir Sadruddin. However, is it available in English?
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I would also like to know if English translation is available of this Granth?
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I need translation of 'GIRBHAVALI'

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I heard in waez of Rai Abu Ali that MUKHI LALJI DEVRAJ had translated GIRBHAVALI in Gujarati language in early 20th century. He also collected many ginans from various sources and published in Gujarati and Khojki languages.
I will appreciate if any Ismaili.net reader help me to find this translation.
I personally tried to read and understand Girbhavali myself, but it is very hard to understand becuase there are many Pakrit, Sanskrit and other languages words which I do not understand.
Girbhavali is a very valuable GRANTH/SHASTRA in Ismaili ginanic literature and everyone should have this, as per Rai Abu Ali. he also mentioned in his waez that there are only 6-7 Ismailies left who can understand Girbhavali very well throughly.
If any reader know any one who understand Girbhavali very well please provide me their telephone # if possible for you or help me to find translation of Girbhavali.
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Many years ago, i got a set of 3 tapes of a waez by Parmandas Khoridas of the Gupti Jamat in India on Ghirbhawali. The sound was so bad that I could not understand anything.

I am sure there are ways to find a good copy from India. Maybe from Vazir Sadiwalla as they were friends.

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Re: I need translation of 'GIRBHAVALI'

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agakhani wrote:I heard in waez of Rai Abu Ali that MUKHI LALJI DEVRAJ had translated GIRBHAVALI in Gujarati language in early 20th century. He also collected many ginans from various sources and published in Gujarati and Khojki languages.
I will appreciate if any Ismaili.net reader help me to find this translation.
I personally tried to read and understand Girbhavali myself, but it is very hard to understand becuase there are many Pakrit, Sanskrit and other languages words which I do not understand.
Girbhavali is a very valuable GRANTH/SHASTRA in Ismaili ginanic literature and everyone should have this, as per Rai Abu Ali. he also mentioned in his waez that there are only 6-7 Ismailies left who can understand Girbhavali very well throughly.
If any reader know any one who understand Girbhavali very well please provide me their telephone # if possible for you or help me to find translation of Girbhavali.
Can you scan and email me a copy of what you have. We should look at having a group of us go through it and have a discussion.

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Can you scan and email me a copy of what you have.  We should look at having a group of us go through it and have a discussion.
Shams,
Girbhavali is very valuable GRANTH of Pir Sadarddin and it out of print now a days, it is very hard to find, so I would not like if it goes to any non-Ismaili's hand.
After reading your many posts in Ismaili.net I assume that you are true Ismaili and you have keen interest in Ismailisam so I will send it to you.
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It take too much time.

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All,
who e-mailed me and requested copy of Girbhavali.
After several attempts to scan the pages, to find out how much time it will take, I found that it was very time consuming process and also it was very dificult for me, since I do not know much about the scaning and e-mailing, so I decided not to send girbhavali via e-mail to any one who already requested, please forgive me for any inconvenience you may have to face.
I deleted my e-mail from my previous post to stop more request.
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agakhani wrote:All,<BR>who e-mailed me and requested copy of Girbhavali.<BR>After several attempts to scan the pages, to find out how much time it will take, I found that it was very time consuming process and also it was very dificult for me, since I do not know much about the scaning and e-mailing, so I decided not to send girbhavali via e-mail to any o­ne who already requested, please forgive me for any inconvenience you may have to face.<BR>I deleted my e-mail from my previous post to stop more request.
<BR><BR>YAM<BR>Can you make copy and mail me than I will scan and email who want  this Garbawali.<BR>Thanks
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Sorry, I can not mail girbhavali it is very valuable Granth in Ismaili sect, it may lost in transit or it may go to non-Ismaili's hand. It took many years to find this granth. sorry again.
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Ya Ali Madad

I have Girbhavali Naani in both Gujarati & English transliteration as PDF file format, if any one wants.

Please email me on.....

techomni110 (at) googlemail (dot) com

Kind regards
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Re: Ghirbhawali by Pir Sdardin

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The following may be helpful in understanding its essence.

Although this text is referred to in various sources, the original Girbhavali (Gir Bavali Chopdi) of Pir Sadruddin is not widely available today

🌌 Understanding Girbhavali

Girbhavali teaches that the human being is not merely physical, but a reflection of the entire universe, carrying within it a hidden spiritual reality. While we use our senses to understand the outer world, we often fail to recognize our inner self.

It emphasizes that within every human being lies a “hidden treasure” — divine knowledge (gnan) and light (Noor). However, this cannot be fully realized without guidance. The role of the Satgur (Pir / Imam) is therefore central, as without such guidance, one remains caught in illusion (maya), distraction, and misunderstanding.

Its central message is simple yet profound:
👉 Know yourself, awaken from heedlessness, and through recognition, come to understand the Divine within.

This aligns deeply with the Qur’anic call to reflect, seek knowledge, and recognize the signs of Allah both within ourselves and in the wider creation.



📖 Nature of the Text
• It is a ginanic granth (long-form composition), not just a short ginan
• It deals with deep esoteric and cosmological teachings
• In some traditions, it is described as:
• A symbolic dialogue (often mythological in form) about creation and reality
• A text explaining spiritual knowledge, the universe, and inner meaning (batin)



📚 Versions You May Hear About

There are typically references to:
• “Girbhavali Nani” (shorter version)
• “Girbhavali Shastra” (larger / extended version)



⚠️ Why It Is Difficult to Find
• Many ginanic manuscripts were never widely printed, and some are lost or privately held
• They are often preserved in:
• Khojki manuscripts
• Private family or Jamat collections
• Older compilations such as Pir Sadruddin na Grantho



📜 Girbhavali — Line-by-Line Breakdown (Human “Anatomy” Theme)



1. “Aa deh antar anek dwar chhe…”

(Within this body are many doors…)

👉 Meaning:
• These “doors” are the senses — eyes, ears, nose, mouth, mind
• They are entry points of perception

🔍 Insight:
We live outwardly through these doors, but rarely turn inward.



2. “Te dwar thi jag jove chhe, pan potane na olakhe…”

(Through these doors one sees the world, but does not know oneself)

👉 Meaning:
• We understand the external world
• But remain unaware of our inner reality

🔍 Insight:
This is the beginning of spiritual ignorance.



3. “Aa deh ma gupt khajano chhe…”

(Within this body lies a hidden treasure)

👉 Meaning:
• The treasure is divine knowledge and Noor

🔍 Insight:
You are not empty—you carry something sacred within.



4. “Satgur vina te khajano na male…”

(Without the True Guide, this treasure is not found)

👉 Meaning:
• Guidance of the Satgur (Pir / Imam) is essential

🔍 Insight:
True understanding requires guidance, not just effort.



5. “Pind ma brahmand samayelo chhe…”

(Within the body resides the entire universe)

👉 Meaning:
• The human being is a microcosm of the cosmos

🔍 Insight:
Knowing yourself leads to understanding creation.



6. “Panch tattva thi deh rachyo…”

(The body is formed from five elements)

👉 Meaning:
• Earth, water, fire, air, and space

🔍 Insight:
The body is temporary and connected to nature.



7. “Jeev maya ma bhatke chhe…”

(The soul wanders in illusion)

👉 Meaning:
• Life is distracted by ego, attachment, and false identity

🔍 Insight:
This is the central human challenge.



8. “Jagrut thay to marg male…”

(If one awakens, the path is found)

👉 Meaning:
• Awareness leads to guidance and purpose

🔍 Insight:
Spirituality begins with awakening.



9. “Noor antar pragat chhe…”

(The Divine Light is manifest within)

👉 Meaning:
• The Divine is present within the human being

🔍 Insight:
Recognition of Noor is central to understanding.



10. “Olakhine to moksh no dwar khule…”

(Through recognition, the door to liberation opens)

👉 Meaning:
• Recognition (ma‘rifat) leads to liberation

🔍 Insight:
The goal is not ritual, but recognition.



🧭 Overall Flow of the Teaching
1. We use our senses outwardly
2. We neglect our inner reality
3. A hidden treasure lies within
4. Guidance is required to find it
5. The human reflects the universe
6. Yet we are trapped in illusion
7. Awakening begins the journey
8. Recognition leads to liberation



📜 Gujarati / Khojki-Style Rendering (Reconstructed)

Aa deh antar anek dwar chhe,
te dwar thi jagat jovaay.

Pan murakh manush potane na olakhe,
bahar bhatkata jaay.

Aa deh ma gupt khajano chhe,
te virla koi jaane.

Satgur vina samajh na pade,
andharu chit ma thaay.

Pind ma brahmand samayelo,
jo samje so gyani.

Panch tattva thi deh rachyo,
maya ma jeev bhulaay.

Jagrat thaay to marg male,
su-to janam gawaay.

Noor antar pragat rahyo,
te olakhvu jaruri.

Gur krupa vina na olakhaay,
koi na paame suri.

Olakhine nij sat swaroop,
moksh no dwar khule.



📖 Qur’anic Parallels
• Reflect inwardly → (7:179)
• Divine closeness → (50:16)
• Need for guidance → (16:43)
• Signs within and beyond → (41:53)
• Creation from earth → (20:55)
• Awareness vs heedlessness → (59:19)
• Divine Light → (24:35)
• Guidance by Allah → (39:37)
• Success through purification → (91:9)



🌟 Final Insight

What Girbhavali does beautifully is this:

👉 It translates Qur’anic truths into local language, symbolism, and lived experience

So instead of abstract theology, it teaches:

• Your body is the book
• Your life is the journey
• Your recognition is the goal



If anyone has access to an original Khojki manuscript, verified text, or reliable translation of Girbhavali (Gir Bavali Chopdi), please do share. It would greatly benefit the wider Jamat and deepen our collective knowledge and understanding.
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I have Girbhavali in
1, Khojki
2, in Gujarati by Mukhi Lalji Bhai Devraj
3, In English translation also printed by Mukhi Lalji Bhai Devraj
I tried to upload here but no success I can forward using WhatsApp if you interested to receive please text me your WhatsApp number at 512-293-6804
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ashraf59 wrote: Tue Apr 07, 2026 4:22 pm I have Girbhavali in
1, Khojki
2, in Gujarati by Mukhi Lalji Bhai Devraj
3, In English translation also printed by Mukhi Lalji Bhai Devraj
I tried to upload here but no success I can forward using WhatsApp if you interested to receive please text me your WhatsApp number at 512-293-6804
PLEASE SEND TO HERITAGE@ISMAILI.NET AND I WILL POST THE LINK HERE.
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I sent but one Khojki Girbhavali has big files which I can send that book!
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ashraf59 wrote: Wed Apr 08, 2026 9:57 am I sent but one Khojki Girbhavali has big files which I can send that book!
How big is the file?
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