Ya Ali madad.
A posting by Agakhani on predictions done by xyz.
Firstly the if the whole assumption is based on a line of a Ginan
PACHAM THI SHAH NAA DAL AAV SE......
then the whole understanding is WRONG.
I have explained the reason of this extract in my earlier.
So falling on those false finding and definitions.
Narrow physical areas is just crap of data.
China is now 85% capitalist economic model.it may not be communist party in power in few decades.
By 2100,world world can be 70-75% atheist & non religious and major 20-25% will be ISLAM.all religion anchored into past will disappear.
the status and glory of Imam from the west ( Portugal) will GROW& GLOW at propations unknown.
Marfati momins will many many who will act like hujjats to impress upon the world and few may even have power of miracles to make world open their eyes.
It is not x imam with army ,Multan_Indian plains,china.all this is crap ,but broader understanding can be taken.
I totally discard the prestentation of mr xyz of prediction with totally maybe good reading but poor understanding.
This topic has become a whole dumping ground for copy pasters and jokes.It amuses more than enlightens.
Hindu Mythology and Indian Terminology / Civilisations
Nuseri: a Ginan hater
Not the above ginans but there are dozen more ginans which tells the same story which I wrote above: and don't forget my summary was taken from those ginans also forgett ginans right now! because you do not respect towards and you do not believe in it but I can show the word "Daint Kalingo" and "China" in other religions literature too!! Do you have strength to digest that!?
Bottom line is : First read Ismaili ginans and then after start to give any comments![/quote]
Not the above ginans but there are dozen more ginans which tells the same story which I wrote above: and don't forget my summary was taken from those ginans also forgett ginans right now! because you do not respect towards and you do not believe in it but I can show the word "Daint Kalingo" and "China" in other religions literature too!! Do you have strength to digest that!?
Bottom line is : First read Ismaili ginans and then after start to give any comments![/quote]
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NGARI (Nagri)
There is mention of Chunaib Nagri in ginans. I think it is some where near Kailash mountain or Manasarova lake (it is my opinion).
Located in the western Tibet Autonomous Region, Ngari Prefecture borders India, Nepal and Indian Kashmir and is contiguous with Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region, China, to the north and Xigaze, Tibet to the south. Ngari has a total area of 310,000 sq. kilometers, accounting for one forth of Tibet.
Ngari is known as the "roof of the world" and the most "Tibetan" part of Tibet. Ngari averages 4,500 meters. It's the place where the Himalayas, the Gangdise, the Kunlun Mountains and Karakorum Mountains meet. There are great mountains, beautiful lakes, vast grasslands and spectacular snow mountains in Ngari. Mt. Kailash and Lake Manasarova in Ngari are symbolized as the "Sacred Mountain and Holy Lake" of the Buddhism and are the spiritual center of Buddhists.
Ngari Feature
First, making the pilgrimage to Mt. Kailash (Gang Rimpoche in Tibetan) is a spectacular experience. Mt Kailash is deemed the spiritual center of Buddhism, Hinduism and the indigenous religion-Bon. Gang Rimpoche means the "treasures of the snow mountains" or the "sacredness of snow". It is said to be the place where the Buddhist patriarch Sakyamuni conducted the rites and it is the Sumeri Mountain in the Buddhism. It is also the temple of God Shiva in Hinduism.
Second, visiting the sacred Lake Manasarovar (Mapham Yutso in Tibetan) surrounded by snowy peaks is also magnificent. There are over 80 rivers and 60 lakes in the prefecture.
Third, exploring the man-made tunnel through the mountain ruins of Guge Kingdom is interesting. Guge Kingdom is famous for its murals, sculptures and stone inscriptions.
There is mention of Chunaib Nagri in ginans. I think it is some where near Kailash mountain or Manasarova lake (it is my opinion).
Located in the western Tibet Autonomous Region, Ngari Prefecture borders India, Nepal and Indian Kashmir and is contiguous with Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region, China, to the north and Xigaze, Tibet to the south. Ngari has a total area of 310,000 sq. kilometers, accounting for one forth of Tibet.
Ngari is known as the "roof of the world" and the most "Tibetan" part of Tibet. Ngari averages 4,500 meters. It's the place where the Himalayas, the Gangdise, the Kunlun Mountains and Karakorum Mountains meet. There are great mountains, beautiful lakes, vast grasslands and spectacular snow mountains in Ngari. Mt. Kailash and Lake Manasarova in Ngari are symbolized as the "Sacred Mountain and Holy Lake" of the Buddhism and are the spiritual center of Buddhists.
Ngari Feature
First, making the pilgrimage to Mt. Kailash (Gang Rimpoche in Tibetan) is a spectacular experience. Mt Kailash is deemed the spiritual center of Buddhism, Hinduism and the indigenous religion-Bon. Gang Rimpoche means the "treasures of the snow mountains" or the "sacredness of snow". It is said to be the place where the Buddhist patriarch Sakyamuni conducted the rites and it is the Sumeri Mountain in the Buddhism. It is also the temple of God Shiva in Hinduism.
Second, visiting the sacred Lake Manasarovar (Mapham Yutso in Tibetan) surrounded by snowy peaks is also magnificent. There are over 80 rivers and 60 lakes in the prefecture.
Third, exploring the man-made tunnel through the mountain ruins of Guge Kingdom is interesting. Guge Kingdom is famous for its murals, sculptures and stone inscriptions.
According to my interpretation of the Ginan: Jaake paachham dise ne khanddh eraak maanhe , Surja Rani is an elevated soul who married Kalingo the king of Chinab. Surja being an elevated soul represents the soul nature in conversation with the Kalingo the power of delusive maya which eternally diverts souls from the right path.shivaathervedi wrote:I asked the question because it is mentioned in Sat Panthi literature.
If Daet Kalingo is real and around means Surja Rani should be real and around.
Or both terminologies are in symbolic forms that's why we have different interpretations. What you think, Is Surja Rani alive?
The Ginan states:
Eji Haare raajaa jugaa jug hun tun ne ketij aavi,
tun kudd kyaare kaalingaa ho ji;
trann trann jug maaro kahiyo nav maaniyo,
chothe te saaheb lekhaa leshe ho ji - naasare 11
Queen replies: I have been warning you over ages and indeed for the last three joogs. You have not listened. Now in this fourth joog, my Lord will take account of your deeds.
The above verse indicates that Surja has always been present and is still present in this age as the soul nature confronting the delusive power of the maya.
China was the material power of the region at the time of Pir Shams. It was like what America is today. Hence it symbolizes material and delusive scientific power of which Kalingo is the king.
In at least 3 Ginans the term Yama has been indicated as Jamaddo the angel of death.shivaathervedi wrote:YAMA
Yama or Yamraj is also called Imra, is a god of death,
Ginan: Sarag Bhavan Thi Maatti Ma(n)gaai http://ismaili.net/heritage/node/23117
ejee maatti khodi khodi mohol banaayaa,
bhaai mi(n)dar chunnaaiaa bhaai mi(n)dar chunnaayaa
ba(n)do murakh kahe ghar meraa
jire aavego jamaddo ne le jaave jivaddo,
ba(n)de autth aagal ghar teraa...ham paradesi dur............2
After the clay was dug, the palaces were made. The holy abodes were fashioned, brother, the holy abodes were fashioned. The foolish creature says, 'These houses are mine'. But the angel death will come and take away the soul. O creature, lonely is the abode which lies ahead for you.
In the Ginan: Saamee Raajo Aave Ja(n)gee Ddhol Vajaave http://ismaili.net/heritage/node/23104, the angel of death is indirectly mentioned:
ejee kaayaa nagaree maa(n) ek chor ddhu(n)ke(chhupe) chhe
ddhu(n)kataa(n) kene nave deetthaa - re ho praannee-aa.......5
In the town of your body, there is a thief (angel of death),
moving very discretely. Because of the discrete nature of the movements,
no one has been able to perceive it.
ejee pahelaa leedhaa kott veeraa nav darvaajaa
pachhe leedho kaayaa kero ha(n)saa - re ho praannee-aa.......6
(This is how the process of natural death occurs through the angel of death)
At first it will steal the hut(bodily cage), i.e., it will make it weak and
incapable to perform it's normal tasks. Then it will gradually render the nine
opening viz-a-viz two eyes, two ears, two nostrils, mouth, anus, penis (vagina) inactive.
Then finally it will take away the soul of the body.
Ginan: Jeere Vaalaa Dhanre Ghaddee http://ismaili.net/heritage/node/22893 states:
jire vaalaa or upaay nahi hay taran ko
ye hay taranakee baaree
re vaalaa chott na laage us sa(n)t ku
jamaddaa rahyaa jakh maareeyaa
re vaalaa dhan re ghaddee jo din sa(n)t padhaaryaa....5
or upaay - no other remedy
jakh maareeyaa - to become powerless
jamaddaa - agent of death
Dear brothers, there is no other remedy for the salvation of your souls. This is the only means of crossing over(the ocean of material existence). The head of the saint is not burdened by the thoughts of death because the agent of death becomes powerless against the Light of the Guide which makes the person immortal.
Brother, happy was the moment when the Saint(Guide) visited me.
In the above verse the sayyed is indicating that the angel of death has no effect upon the enlightened soul who becomes immortal - there is no death for the enlightened soul.
A Sloko Nano verse states:
satgur kahere: jutthaa marnnaa to sab jug mare
ane saachaa na mare koi
aa gur geenaane je mare
teese bohor marann na hoy re.....................17
The True Guide says: All creatures can die false(repeated) deaths but not all of them die real deaths. Whoever dies after knowing the True Guide(or after getting knowledge/enlightenment from the True Guide), will not have to die again and again. ( becomes deathless).
Nagari means town as in Kaayaa Nagari or hansapuri nagari maanhe http://ismaili.net/heritage/node/22865 .shivaathervedi wrote:NGARI (Nagri)
Ya ALI madad:
I have a question.I am really unaware.
As Pir Sadarddin and hasan kabirdin were from Ahle Bayt ,they were INDEED Noor e Mohammed of their time ( THEY even claimed that).
Was Pir Shams also from Ahle Bayt or appointed ones?( like few others)
Is slokha nano or mota is presently part of Ismaili material for inspiration for day to day recitation.do we hear Kalingo,surja,purja,sati,pati.
At times I wonder which website I have landed
If a Sufi personify any good or evil with Symbloic names in poems,it can have a floating status and not fixed geographic location.
I have a question.I am really unaware.
As Pir Sadarddin and hasan kabirdin were from Ahle Bayt ,they were INDEED Noor e Mohammed of their time ( THEY even claimed that).
Was Pir Shams also from Ahle Bayt or appointed ones?( like few others)
Is slokha nano or mota is presently part of Ismaili material for inspiration for day to day recitation.do we hear Kalingo,surja,purja,sati,pati.
At times I wonder which website I have landed
If a Sufi personify any good or evil with Symbloic names in poems,it can have a floating status and not fixed geographic location.
I would advice you to read the brief history of our Ismaili Pirs at:nuseri wrote:Ya ALI madad:
I have a question.I am really unaware.
As Pir Sadarddin and hasan kabirdin were from Ahle Bayt ,they were INDEED Noor e Mohammed of their time ( THEY even claimed that).
Was Pir Shams also from Ahle Bayt or appointed ones?( like few others).
HISTORY OF THE HOLY PI'RS
http://www.ismaili.net/html/modules.php ... abul+hasan
and
Translation of "A Short Life-History of Our Twenty-Third Pir—Hadrat Pir Shams al-Din Sabzawari" at:
Pir Shams - Voyage - Multan - Translation
http://www.ismaili.net/html/modules.php ... e+pir+boat
Has there been any guidance from MHI to discontinue the Slokas? They are gems of our Ginans, do they inspire you when you come across them? They are rarely recited because murids are not aware of their importance or don't know how to recite them.nuseri wrote: Is slokha nano or mota is presently part of Ismaili material for inspiration for day to day recitation.do we hear Kalingo,surja,purja,sati,pati.
At times I wonder which website I have landed
If a Sufi personify any good or evil with Symbloic names in poems,it can have a floating status and not fixed geographic location.
Ginans are meant to be timeless and are therefore not bound to particular geographical areas, hence places and characters mentioned can be allegorized to give a more timeless significance to them.
For example Paramahansa Yogananda allegorizes Sati Dhropadi as the feeling of Kundalini:
"Draupadi is the daughter of Drupada (Extreme Dispassion). She represents the spiritual power of feeling of KUNDALINI....... When kundalini is lifted upward, it is "wedded" to the five Pandavas (the creative vibratory elements of consciousness in the fives spinal centers), and thereby gives birth to five sons.
The sons of Draupadi are the manifestations of the five opened or awakened spinal centers....
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kmaherali wrote:Nagari means town as in Kaayaa Nagari or hansapuri nagari maanhe http://ismaili.net/heritage/node/22865 .shivaathervedi wrote:NGARI (Nagri)
No doubt Kaya nagari is microcosm. (palace or a large house or a town).
I wrote about Chunaib Ngari which in my opinion is near some where lake Manasarvo (mansarovar). Lake manasarvo is Hansapuri Ngari which is abode of 'Hanso na raja'.
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kmaherali wrote:According to my interpretation of the Ginan: Jaake paachham dise ne khanddh eraak maanhe , Surja Rani is an elevated soul who married Kalingo the king of Chinab. Surja being an elevated soul represents the soul nature in conversation with the Kalingo the power of delusive maya which eternally diverts souls from the right path.shivaathervedi wrote:I asked the question because it is mentioned in Sat Panthi literature.
If Daet Kalingo is real and around means Surja Rani should be real and around.
Or both terminologies are in symbolic forms that's why we have different interpretations. What you think, Is Surja Rani alive?
The Ginan states:
Eji Haare raajaa jugaa jug hun tun ne ketij aavi,
tun kudd kyaare kaalingaa ho ji;
trann trann jug maaro kahiyo nav maaniyo,
chothe te saaheb lekhaa leshe ho ji - naasare 11
Queen replies: I have been warning you over ages and indeed for the last three joogs. You have not listened. Now in this fourth joog, my Lord will take account of your deeds.
The above verse indicates that Surja has always been present and is still present in this age as the soul nature confronting the delusive power of the maya.
China was the material power of the region at the time of Pir Shams. It was like what America is today. Hence it symbolizes material and delusive scientific power of which Kalingo is the king.
The interpretation of the ginanic part you quoted creates some questions;
1. Daet Kalingo was in previous 3 yugs also, and was uncontrollable, not disciplined, he was warned only and left unpunished to continue his mischief in Kalyug.
2. Historically when Surja Rani was aware that Kalingo is a bad guy still she married him. Was not any elder around her to explain she was ruining her life!?
3. She calls Kalingo Raja. Was Kalingo King in previous yugs also?
Though I have given few interpretation of Kalingo, but in my view following is appropriate;
KALINGO ID NAFS AMARAH AND SURJA RANI ID NAFS MUTMAI'NAH.
Ya ALI madad.
My simple question is was Pir Shams a mustwada Pir lineage or sattadari Pir .
Was his name there where names or Pir lineage was mentioned in dua.somebody posted 50 names somewhere.
MHI does not want CRAP to be read or remembered.
There is India ITREB just around shorter version of maximum 200 Ginan.,even these need to cut down to 70 powerful ones.
One need to defend what ALI says today and not Vedas & grant data mostlyva myth.
He has used word like,Glowing,Spiritual Father,Madad dith/dath e Ilahi.,Bearer of Noor.
We should be ashamed to fall into pre historic words like kalingo,sati,ravan,draupadi,etc,etc.
It reflects one intellectual bankruptcy on living words of MHI.if he said it then we defend and cover and propagate it.
Was alwaez xyz who gave zahurat time ,date,etc predictions sypnopsis a mustwada or sattdari Pir?
If there is Looney bin in Texas then one must ignore it and believe in living MHI.
My simple question is was Pir Shams a mustwada Pir lineage or sattadari Pir .
Was his name there where names or Pir lineage was mentioned in dua.somebody posted 50 names somewhere.
MHI does not want CRAP to be read or remembered.
There is India ITREB just around shorter version of maximum 200 Ginan.,even these need to cut down to 70 powerful ones.
One need to defend what ALI says today and not Vedas & grant data mostlyva myth.
He has used word like,Glowing,Spiritual Father,Madad dith/dath e Ilahi.,Bearer of Noor.
We should be ashamed to fall into pre historic words like kalingo,sati,ravan,draupadi,etc,etc.
It reflects one intellectual bankruptcy on living words of MHI.if he said it then we defend and cover and propagate it.
Was alwaez xyz who gave zahurat time ,date,etc predictions sypnopsis a mustwada or sattdari Pir?
If there is Looney bin in Texas then one must ignore it and believe in living MHI.
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I have different interpretation of few parts you quoted.kmaherali wrote:In at least 3 Ginans the term Yama has been indicated as Jamaddo the angel of death.shivaathervedi wrote:YAMA
Yama or Yamraj is also called Imra, is a god of death,
Ginan: Sarag Bhavan Thi Maatti Ma(n)gaai http://ismaili.net/heritage/node/23117
ejee maatti khodi khodi mohol banaayaa,
bhaai mi(n)dar chunnaaiaa bhaai mi(n)dar chunnaayaa
ba(n)do murakh kahe ghar meraa
jire aavego jamaddo ne le jaave jivaddo,
ba(n)de autth aagal ghar teraa...ham paradesi dur............2
After the clay was dug, the palaces were made. The holy abodes were fashioned, brother, the holy abodes were fashioned. The foolish creature says, 'These houses are mine'. But the angel death will come and take away the soul. O creature, lonely is the abode which lies ahead for you.
In the Ginan: Saamee Raajo Aave Ja(n)gee Ddhol Vajaave http://ismaili.net/heritage/node/23104, the angel of death is indirectly mentioned:
ejee kaayaa nagaree maa(n) ek chor ddhu(n)ke(chhupe) chhe
ddhu(n)kataa(n) kene nave deetthaa - re ho praannee-aa.......5
In the town of your body, there is a thief (angel of death),
moving very discretely. Because of the discrete nature of the movements,
no one has been able to perceive it.
ejee pahelaa leedhaa kott veeraa nav darvaajaa
pachhe leedho kaayaa kero ha(n)saa - re ho praannee-aa.......6
(This is how the process of natural death occurs through the angel of death)
At first it will steal the hut(bodily cage), i.e., it will make it weak and
incapable to perform it's normal tasks. Then it will gradually render the nine
opening viz-a-viz two eyes, two ears, two nostrils, mouth, anus, penis (vagina) inactive.
Then finally it will take away the soul of the body.
Ginan: Jeere Vaalaa Dhanre Ghaddee http://ismaili.net/heritage/node/22893 states:
jire vaalaa or upaay nahi hay taran ko
ye hay taranakee baaree
re vaalaa chott na laage us sa(n)t ku
jamaddaa rahyaa jakh maareeyaa
re vaalaa dhan re ghaddee jo din sa(n)t padhaaryaa....5
or upaay - no other remedy
jakh maareeyaa - to become powerless
jamaddaa - agent of death
Dear brothers, there is no other remedy for the salvation of your souls. This is the only means of crossing over(the ocean of material existence). The head of the saint is not burdened by the thoughts of death because the agent of death becomes powerless against the Light of the Guide which makes the person immortal.
Brother, happy was the moment when the Saint(Guide) visited me.
In the above verse the sayyed is indicating that the angel of death has no effect upon the enlightened soul who becomes immortal - there is no death for the enlightened soul.
A Sloko Nano verse states:
satgur kahere: jutthaa marnnaa to sab jug mare
ane saachaa na mare koi
aa gur geenaane je mare
teese bohor marann na hoy re.....................17
The True Guide says: All creatures can die false(repeated) deaths but not all of them die real deaths. Whoever dies after knowing the True Guide(or after getting knowledge/enlightenment from the True Guide), will not have to die again and again. ( becomes deathless).
1. EJI KAYA NAGARI MA(N)HE EK CHOR............
I consider 'EK CHOR' as nafs amarah and not as angel of death.
2. EJI PAHLA LEEDHA KOTT VERA NAW DARWAJA
There is no direct mention of Yamadot or jamaddo, only description of how he seizes the soul. He start pulling the soul from feet and move upwards making 9 openings inactive and taking complete soul out of body through left ear of forehead.
3. JUTHA MARNA TOU SAB JUG MAREY....
There is a comparison of material world and spiritual world. A FALSE OR ARTIFICIAL DEATH AND A REAL DEATH.
There is a good comparison in this part;
MARU(N) MARU(N) KARANTA JANAM GAMAVIO
HERLA SARIKHO AAVIYO MONKHO DHUBAVIO
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HANUMAN
Lord Hanuman also known as Mahavira, Bajrangbali, is a Hindu god and an ardent devotee of the god Rama. He is one of the central figures in the Hindu epic Ramayana and its various versions. As one of the Chiranjivi he is also mentioned in several other texts, including Mahabharata, the various Puranas and some Jain texts. Vanara (monkey), Lord Hanuman participated in Rama's war against the demon king Ravana. Several texts also present him as an incarnation of Lord Shiva. He is the son of Anjana and Kesari, and is also described as the son of the wind-god Vayu, who according to several stories, played a role in his birth.
The Sanskrit texts mention several legends about how Lord Hanuman got his name. One legend is that Indra, the king of the gods, struck Lord's jaw during his childhood. The child received his name from the Sanskrit words Hanu ("jaw") and -man (or -mant, "prominent" or "disfigured"). The name thus means "one with prominent or disfigured jaw". Another theory says(less preferred) the name derives from the Sanskrit words Han ("killed" or "destroyed") and maana (pride); the name implies "one whose pride was destroyed". Some Jain texts mention that Hanuman spent his childhood on an island called Hanuruha, which is the origin of his name.
According to one theory, the name "Hanuman" derives from the proto-Dravidian word for male monkey (ana-mandi), which was later Sanskritized to "Hanuman". Linguistic variations of "Hanuman" include Hanumat, Anuman (Tamil), Hanumanthudu (Telugu), Anoman (Indonesian), Andoman (Malay) and Hunlaman (Lao). Other names of Lord Hanuman include:
Anjaneya, Anjaniputra, 'Anjaneyar (Tamil), Anjaneyudu (Telugu), all meaning "the son of Anjana".
Hanuman is mentioned in both the Hindu epics, Ramayana and Mahabharata. The word "Vrsakapi" or "Vrishakapi", later used as an epithet for Hanuman, is mentioned in the Rigveda. Some writers, such as Nilakantha (author of Mantra Ramayana) believe that the Vrishakapi of Rigveda alludes to Hanuman. However, other scholars believe that Hanuman is not mentioned in the Vedic mythology: the "Vrsakapi" of Rigveda refers to another deity or is a common name for the monkeys.
Hanuman is mentioned as an avatar of Shiva or Rudra in the Sanskrit texts like the Mahabhagvata Purana, the Skanda Purana, the Brhaddharma Purana and the Mahanataka among others. This development might have been a result of the Shavite attempts to insert their ishta devata (cherished deity) in the Vaishnavite texts, which were gaining popularity.
Hanuman became more important in the medieval period, and came to be portrayed as the ideal devotee (bhakta) of Rama. His characterization as a lifelong brahmachari (celibate) was another important development during this period. The belief that Hanuman's celibacy is the source of his strength became popular among the wrestlers in India. The celibacy or brahmacharya aspect of Hanuman is not mentioned in the original Ramayana. In Jain texts, Hanuman is depicted as the 17th of 24 Kamadevas, the one who is ultimately handsome.
Birth and childhood;
Hanuman was born to the vanaras. His mother Anjana was an apsara who was born on earth due to a curse. She was redeemed from this curse on giving birth to a son. The Valmiki Ramayana states that his father Kesari was the son of Brihaspati, he was the King of a place named Sumeru. Anjana performed intense prayers lasting 12 long years to Shiva to get a child. Pleased with their devotion, Shiva granted them the boon they sought. Hanuman, in another interpretation, is the incarnation or reflection of Shiva himself.
Hanuman is often called the son of the deity Vayu (Wind God); several different traditions account for the Vayu's role in Hanuman's birth. One story mentioned in Eknath's Bhavartha Ramayana (16th century CE) states that when Anjana was worshiping Shiva, the King Dasharatha of Ayodhya was also performing the ritual of Putrakama yagna in order to have children. As a result, he received some sacred pudding (payasam) to be shared by his three wives, leading to the births of Rama, Lakshmana, Bharata, and Shatrughna. By divine ordinance, a kite snatched a fragment of that pudding and dropped it while flying over the forest where Anjana was engaged in worship. Vayu, the Hindu deity of the wind, delivered the falling pudding to the outstretched hands of Anjana, who consumed it. Hanuman was born to her as a result. Another tradition says that Anjana and her husband Kesari prayed Shiva for a child. By Shiva's direction, Vayu transferred his male energy to Anjana's womb. Accordingly, Hanuman is identified as the son of the Vayu.
Another story of Hanuman's origins is derived from the Vishnu Purana and Naradeya Purana. Narada, infatuated with a princess, went to his lord Vishnu, to make him look like Vishnu, so that the princess would garland him at swayamvara (husband-choosing ceremony). He asked for hari mukh (Hari is another name of Vishnu, and mukh means face). Vishnu instead bestowed him with the face of a vanara. Unaware of this, Narada went to the princess, who burst into laughter at the sight of his ape-like face before all the king's court. Narada, unable to bear the humiliation, cursed Vishnu, that Vishnu would one day be dependent upon a vanara. Vishnu replied that what he had done was for Narada's own good, as he would have undermined his own powers if he were to enter matrimony. Vishnu also noted that Hari has the dual Sanskrit meaning of vanara. Upon hearing this, Narada repented for cursing his idol. But Vishnu told him not to repent as the curse would act as a boon, for it would lead to the birth of Hanuman, an avatar of Shiva, without whose help Rama (Vishnu's avatar) could not kill Ravana.
Childhood;
As a child, believing the sun to be a ripe mango, Hanuman pursued it in order to eat it. Rahu, a Vedic planet corresponding to an eclipse, was at that time seeking out the sun as well, and he clashed with Hanuman. Hanuman thrashed Rahu and went to take the sun in his mouth. Rahu approached Indra, king of devas, and complained that a monkey child stopped him from taking on Sun, preventing the scheduled eclipse. This enraged Indra, who responded by throwing the Vajra (thunderbolt) at Hanuman, which struck his jaw. He fell back down to the earth and became unconscious. A permanent mark was left on his chin, due to impact of Vajra, explaining his name. Upset over the attack, Hanuman's father figure Vayu deva (the deity of air) went into seclusion, withdrawing air along with him. As living beings began to asphyxiate, Indra withdrew the effect of his thunderbolt. The devas then revived Hanuman and blessed him with multiple boons to appease Vayu.
Brahma gave Hanuman a boon that would protect him from the irrevocable Brahma's curse. Brahma also said: "Nobody will be able to kill you with any weapon in war." From Brahma he obtained the power of inducing fear in enemies, of destroying fear in friends, to be able to change his form at will and to be able to easily travel wherever he wished. From Shiva he obtained the boons of longevity, scriptural wisdom and ability to cross the ocean. Shiva assured safety of Hanuman with a band that would protect him for life. Indra blessed him that the Vajra weapon will no longer be effective on him and his body would become stronger than Vajra. Varuna blessed baby Hanuman with a boon that he would always be protected from water. Agni blessed him with immunity to burning by fire. Surya gave him two siddhis of yoga namely "laghima" and "garima", to be able to attain the smallest or to attain the biggest form. Yama, the God of Death blessed him healthy life and free from his weapon danda, thus death would not come to him. Kubera showered his blessings declaring that Hanuman would always remain happy and contented. Vishwakarma blessed him that Hanuman would be protected from all his creations in the form of objects or weapons. Vayu also blessed him with more speed than he himself had. Kamadeva also blessed him that the appeal of sex will not be effective on him. So his name is also Bala Bramhachari.
On ascertaining Surya to be an all-knowing teacher, Hanuman raised his body into an orbit around the sun and requested to Surya to accept him as a student. Surya refused and explained claiming that he always had to be on the move in his chariot, it would be impossible for Hanuman to learn well. Undeterred, Hanuman enlarged his form, with one leg on the eastern ranges and the other on the western ranges, and facing Surya again pleaded. Pleased by his persistence, Surya agreed. Hanuman then learned all of the latter's knowledge. When Hanuman then requested Surya to quote his "guru-dakshina" (teacher's fee), the latter refused, saying that the pleasure of teaching one as dedicated as him was the fee in itself. Hanuman insisted, whereupon Surya asked him to help his (Surya's) spiritual son Sugriva. Hanuman's choice of Surya as his teacher is said to signify Surya as a Karma Saakshi, an eternal witness of all deeds. Hanuman later became Sugriva's minister.
Hanuman was mischievous in his childhood, and sometimes teased the meditating sages in the forests by snatching their personal belongings and by disturbing their well-arranged articles of worship. Finding his antics unbearable, but realizing that Hanuman was but a child, (albeit invincible), the sages placed a mild curse on him by which he became unable to remember his own ability unless reminded by another person. The curse is highlighted in Kishkindha Kanda and he was relieved from the curse by the end of Kishkindha Kanda when Jambavantha reminds Hanuman of his abilities and encourages him to go and find Sita and in Sundara Kanda he used his Supernatural powers at his best.
Adventures in Ramayana;
Hanuman meets Rama during the Rama's 14-year exile. With his brother Lakshmana, Rama is searching for his wife Sita who had been abducted by Ravana. Their search brings them to the vicinity of the mountain Rishyamukha, where Sugriva, along with his followers and friends, are in hiding from his older brother Vali.
Having seen Rama and Lakshmana, Sugriva sends Hanuman to ascertain their identities. Hanuman approaches the two brothers in the guise of a brahmin. His first words to them are such that Rama says to Lakshmana that none could speak the way the brahmin did unless he or she had mastered the Vedas. He notes that there is no defect in the brahmin's countenance, eyes, forehead, brows, or any limb. He points out to Lakshmana that his accent is captivating, adding that even an enemy with sword drawn would be moved. He praises the disguised Hanuman further, saying that sure success awaited the king whose emissaries were as accomplished as he was.
When Rama introduces himself, the brahman identifies himself as Hanuman and falls prostrate before Rama, who embraces him warmly. Thereafter, Hanuman's life becomes interwoven with that of Rama. Hanuman then brings about friendship and alliance between Rama and Sugriva; Rama helps Sugriva regain his honour and makes him king of Kishkindha. Sugriva and his vanaras, most notably Hanuman, help Rama defeat Raavana and reunite with Sita.
In their search for Sita, a group of Vanaras reaches the southern seashore. Upon encountering the vast ocean, every vanara begins to lament his inability to jump across the water. Hanuman too is saddened at the possible failure of his mission, until the other vanaras and the wise bear Jambavantha begin to extol his virtues. Hanuman then recollects his own powers, enlarges his body, and flies across the ocean. On his way, he encounters Mount Mainak that rises from the sea and offers him to rest on his mountain which had abundant fruits and berries. Mainak explains that Lord Vayu had once saved him from Indra's Vajra.
Hanuman reaches Lanka through flight and marvels at its beauty. After he finds Sita in captivity in a garden, Hanuman reveals his identity to her, reassures her that Rama has been looking for her, and uplifts her spirits. He offers to carry her back to Rama, but she refuses his offer, saying it would be an insult to Rama as his honour is at stake. In order to give Sita faith, Hanuman gives her a ring that Rama wanted Hanuman to give her. After meeting Sita, Hanuman begins to wreak havoc, gradually destroying the palaces and properties of Lanka. He kills many rakshasas, including Jambumali and Aksha Kumar. To subdue him, Ravana's son Indrajit uses the Brahmastra. Though immune to the effects of this weapon Hanuman, out of respect to Brahma, allows himself be bound. Deciding to use the opportunity to meet Ravana, and to assess the strength of Ravana's hordes, Hanuman allows the rakshasa warriors to parade him through the streets. He conveys Rama's message of warning and demands the safe return of Sita. He also informs Ravana that Rama would be willing to forgive him if he returns Sita honourably.
Enraged, Ravana orders Hanuman's execution, whereupon Ravana's brother Vibhishana intervenes, pointing out that it is against the rules of engagement to kill a messenger. Ravana then orders Hanuman's tail be lit afire. As Ravana's forces attempted to wrap cloth around his tail, Hanuman begins to lengthen it. After frustrating them for a while, he allows it to burn, then escapes from his captors, and with his tail on fire he burns down large parts of Lanka. After extinguishing his flaming tail in the sea, he returns to Rama.In the Ramayana Hanuman changes shape several times. A time when he changed shape was while he searches for the kidnapped Sita in Ravana's palaces on Lanka, he contracts himself to the size of a cat, so that he will not be detected by the enemy. Later on, he takes on the size of a mountain, blazing with radiance, to show his true power to Sita.
Mountain lifting;
When Lakshmana is badly wounded during the battle against Indrajit, Hanuman is sent to fetch the Sanjivani, a powerful life-restoring herb, from Dronagiri mountain in the Himalayas, to revive him. Ravana realises that if Lakshmana dies, a distraught Rama would probably give up, and so he dispatches the sorcerer Kalanemi to intercept Hanuman. Kalanemi, in the guise of a sage, deceives Hanuman, but Hanuman uncovers his plot with the help of an apsara, whom he rescues from her accursed state as a crocodile.
Ravana, upon learning that Kalanemi has been slain by Hanuman, summons Surya to rise before its appointed time because the physician Sushena had said that Lakshmana would perish if untreated by daybreak. Hanuman realizes the danger, however, and, becoming many times his normal size, detains the Sun God to prevent the break of day. He then resumes his search for the precious herb, but, when he finds himself unable to identify which herb it is, he lifts the entire mountain and delivers it to the battlefield in Lanka. Sushena then identifies and administers the herb, and Lakshmana is saved. Rama embraces Hanuman, declaring him as dear to him as his own brother. Hanuman releases Surya from his grip, and asks forgiveness, as the Sun was also his Guru.
Hanuman was also called "langra veer"; langra in Hindi means limping and veer means "brave". The story behind Hanuman being called langra is as follows. He was injured when he was crossing the Ayodhya with the mountain in his hands. As he was crossing over Ayodhya, Bharat, Rama's young brother, saw him and assumed that some Rakshasa was taking this mountain to attack Ayodhya. Bharat then shot Hanuman with an arrow, which was engraved with Rama's name. Hanuman did not stop this arrow as it had Rama's name written on it, and it injured his leg. Hanuman landed and explained to Bharat that he was moving the mountain to save his own brother, Lakshmana. Bharat, feeling regret, offered to fire an arrow to Lanka, which Hanuman could ride in order to reach his destination more easily. But Hanuman declined the offer, preferring to fly on his own, and he continued his journey with his injured leg.
Hanuman showing Rama in His heart;
Shortly after he is crowned Emperor upon his return to Ayodhya, Rama decides to ceremoniously reward all his well-wishers. At a grand ceremony in his court, all his friends and allies take turns being honoured at the throne. Hanuman approaches without desiring a reward. Seeing Hanuman come up to him, an emotionally overwhelmed Rama embraces him warmly, declaring that he could never adequately honour or repay Hanuman for the help and services he received from the noble Vanara. Sita, however, insists that Hanuman deserved honour more than anyone else, and Sita gives him a necklace of precious stones adorning her neck.
When he receives it, Hanuman immediately takes it apart, and peers into each stone. Taken aback, many of those present demand to know why he is destroying the precious gift. Hanuman answers that he was looking into the stones to make sure that Rama and Sita are in them, because if they are not, the necklace is of no value to him. At this, a few mock Hanuman, saying his reverence and love for Rama and Sita could not possibly be as deep as he implies. In response, Hanuman tears his chest open, and everyone is stunned to see Rama and Sita literally in his heart.
After the war, and after reigning for several years, the time arrived for Rama to depart to his supreme abode Vaikuntha. Rama knew that Hanuman won't let him him go as he was his greatest ardent devotee.And so Rama took off his ring and threw into a small crack in the ground. He then let Hanuman know about this and asked him to go and get it. At the words of his Lord, Hanuman minimized his body to the shape of a ant and went inside to find the ring. Rama then went to the Sarayu River for his final journey. Meanwhile, Hanuman encountered Vasuki The King of Naglok. Hanuman told him about the ring and then Vasuki took him to the centre of NagLok where many rings were kept. Hanuman picked one up and it was Raghunandan's. But then he picked another one and it was Rama's also. Hanuman couldn't understand. Vasuki then told Hanuman that "When Shri Rama's ring will fall, it is a sign that Rama is leaving Earth". Hearing this Hanuman with the ring quickly went to meet his Lord at the Sarayu River . Many of Rama's entourage, including Sugriva, decided to depart with him. Hanuman, however, requested from Rama that he will remain on earth as long as Rama's name was venerated by people. and granted that his image would be installed at various public places, so he could listen to people chanting Rama's name. He is one of the immortals (Chiranjivi) of Hinduism.
Lord Hanuman also known as Mahavira, Bajrangbali, is a Hindu god and an ardent devotee of the god Rama. He is one of the central figures in the Hindu epic Ramayana and its various versions. As one of the Chiranjivi he is also mentioned in several other texts, including Mahabharata, the various Puranas and some Jain texts. Vanara (monkey), Lord Hanuman participated in Rama's war against the demon king Ravana. Several texts also present him as an incarnation of Lord Shiva. He is the son of Anjana and Kesari, and is also described as the son of the wind-god Vayu, who according to several stories, played a role in his birth.
The Sanskrit texts mention several legends about how Lord Hanuman got his name. One legend is that Indra, the king of the gods, struck Lord's jaw during his childhood. The child received his name from the Sanskrit words Hanu ("jaw") and -man (or -mant, "prominent" or "disfigured"). The name thus means "one with prominent or disfigured jaw". Another theory says(less preferred) the name derives from the Sanskrit words Han ("killed" or "destroyed") and maana (pride); the name implies "one whose pride was destroyed". Some Jain texts mention that Hanuman spent his childhood on an island called Hanuruha, which is the origin of his name.
According to one theory, the name "Hanuman" derives from the proto-Dravidian word for male monkey (ana-mandi), which was later Sanskritized to "Hanuman". Linguistic variations of "Hanuman" include Hanumat, Anuman (Tamil), Hanumanthudu (Telugu), Anoman (Indonesian), Andoman (Malay) and Hunlaman (Lao). Other names of Lord Hanuman include:
Anjaneya, Anjaniputra, 'Anjaneyar (Tamil), Anjaneyudu (Telugu), all meaning "the son of Anjana".
Hanuman is mentioned in both the Hindu epics, Ramayana and Mahabharata. The word "Vrsakapi" or "Vrishakapi", later used as an epithet for Hanuman, is mentioned in the Rigveda. Some writers, such as Nilakantha (author of Mantra Ramayana) believe that the Vrishakapi of Rigveda alludes to Hanuman. However, other scholars believe that Hanuman is not mentioned in the Vedic mythology: the "Vrsakapi" of Rigveda refers to another deity or is a common name for the monkeys.
Hanuman is mentioned as an avatar of Shiva or Rudra in the Sanskrit texts like the Mahabhagvata Purana, the Skanda Purana, the Brhaddharma Purana and the Mahanataka among others. This development might have been a result of the Shavite attempts to insert their ishta devata (cherished deity) in the Vaishnavite texts, which were gaining popularity.
Hanuman became more important in the medieval period, and came to be portrayed as the ideal devotee (bhakta) of Rama. His characterization as a lifelong brahmachari (celibate) was another important development during this period. The belief that Hanuman's celibacy is the source of his strength became popular among the wrestlers in India. The celibacy or brahmacharya aspect of Hanuman is not mentioned in the original Ramayana. In Jain texts, Hanuman is depicted as the 17th of 24 Kamadevas, the one who is ultimately handsome.
Birth and childhood;
Hanuman was born to the vanaras. His mother Anjana was an apsara who was born on earth due to a curse. She was redeemed from this curse on giving birth to a son. The Valmiki Ramayana states that his father Kesari was the son of Brihaspati, he was the King of a place named Sumeru. Anjana performed intense prayers lasting 12 long years to Shiva to get a child. Pleased with their devotion, Shiva granted them the boon they sought. Hanuman, in another interpretation, is the incarnation or reflection of Shiva himself.
Hanuman is often called the son of the deity Vayu (Wind God); several different traditions account for the Vayu's role in Hanuman's birth. One story mentioned in Eknath's Bhavartha Ramayana (16th century CE) states that when Anjana was worshiping Shiva, the King Dasharatha of Ayodhya was also performing the ritual of Putrakama yagna in order to have children. As a result, he received some sacred pudding (payasam) to be shared by his three wives, leading to the births of Rama, Lakshmana, Bharata, and Shatrughna. By divine ordinance, a kite snatched a fragment of that pudding and dropped it while flying over the forest where Anjana was engaged in worship. Vayu, the Hindu deity of the wind, delivered the falling pudding to the outstretched hands of Anjana, who consumed it. Hanuman was born to her as a result. Another tradition says that Anjana and her husband Kesari prayed Shiva for a child. By Shiva's direction, Vayu transferred his male energy to Anjana's womb. Accordingly, Hanuman is identified as the son of the Vayu.
Another story of Hanuman's origins is derived from the Vishnu Purana and Naradeya Purana. Narada, infatuated with a princess, went to his lord Vishnu, to make him look like Vishnu, so that the princess would garland him at swayamvara (husband-choosing ceremony). He asked for hari mukh (Hari is another name of Vishnu, and mukh means face). Vishnu instead bestowed him with the face of a vanara. Unaware of this, Narada went to the princess, who burst into laughter at the sight of his ape-like face before all the king's court. Narada, unable to bear the humiliation, cursed Vishnu, that Vishnu would one day be dependent upon a vanara. Vishnu replied that what he had done was for Narada's own good, as he would have undermined his own powers if he were to enter matrimony. Vishnu also noted that Hari has the dual Sanskrit meaning of vanara. Upon hearing this, Narada repented for cursing his idol. But Vishnu told him not to repent as the curse would act as a boon, for it would lead to the birth of Hanuman, an avatar of Shiva, without whose help Rama (Vishnu's avatar) could not kill Ravana.
Childhood;
As a child, believing the sun to be a ripe mango, Hanuman pursued it in order to eat it. Rahu, a Vedic planet corresponding to an eclipse, was at that time seeking out the sun as well, and he clashed with Hanuman. Hanuman thrashed Rahu and went to take the sun in his mouth. Rahu approached Indra, king of devas, and complained that a monkey child stopped him from taking on Sun, preventing the scheduled eclipse. This enraged Indra, who responded by throwing the Vajra (thunderbolt) at Hanuman, which struck his jaw. He fell back down to the earth and became unconscious. A permanent mark was left on his chin, due to impact of Vajra, explaining his name. Upset over the attack, Hanuman's father figure Vayu deva (the deity of air) went into seclusion, withdrawing air along with him. As living beings began to asphyxiate, Indra withdrew the effect of his thunderbolt. The devas then revived Hanuman and blessed him with multiple boons to appease Vayu.
Brahma gave Hanuman a boon that would protect him from the irrevocable Brahma's curse. Brahma also said: "Nobody will be able to kill you with any weapon in war." From Brahma he obtained the power of inducing fear in enemies, of destroying fear in friends, to be able to change his form at will and to be able to easily travel wherever he wished. From Shiva he obtained the boons of longevity, scriptural wisdom and ability to cross the ocean. Shiva assured safety of Hanuman with a band that would protect him for life. Indra blessed him that the Vajra weapon will no longer be effective on him and his body would become stronger than Vajra. Varuna blessed baby Hanuman with a boon that he would always be protected from water. Agni blessed him with immunity to burning by fire. Surya gave him two siddhis of yoga namely "laghima" and "garima", to be able to attain the smallest or to attain the biggest form. Yama, the God of Death blessed him healthy life and free from his weapon danda, thus death would not come to him. Kubera showered his blessings declaring that Hanuman would always remain happy and contented. Vishwakarma blessed him that Hanuman would be protected from all his creations in the form of objects or weapons. Vayu also blessed him with more speed than he himself had. Kamadeva also blessed him that the appeal of sex will not be effective on him. So his name is also Bala Bramhachari.
On ascertaining Surya to be an all-knowing teacher, Hanuman raised his body into an orbit around the sun and requested to Surya to accept him as a student. Surya refused and explained claiming that he always had to be on the move in his chariot, it would be impossible for Hanuman to learn well. Undeterred, Hanuman enlarged his form, with one leg on the eastern ranges and the other on the western ranges, and facing Surya again pleaded. Pleased by his persistence, Surya agreed. Hanuman then learned all of the latter's knowledge. When Hanuman then requested Surya to quote his "guru-dakshina" (teacher's fee), the latter refused, saying that the pleasure of teaching one as dedicated as him was the fee in itself. Hanuman insisted, whereupon Surya asked him to help his (Surya's) spiritual son Sugriva. Hanuman's choice of Surya as his teacher is said to signify Surya as a Karma Saakshi, an eternal witness of all deeds. Hanuman later became Sugriva's minister.
Hanuman was mischievous in his childhood, and sometimes teased the meditating sages in the forests by snatching their personal belongings and by disturbing their well-arranged articles of worship. Finding his antics unbearable, but realizing that Hanuman was but a child, (albeit invincible), the sages placed a mild curse on him by which he became unable to remember his own ability unless reminded by another person. The curse is highlighted in Kishkindha Kanda and he was relieved from the curse by the end of Kishkindha Kanda when Jambavantha reminds Hanuman of his abilities and encourages him to go and find Sita and in Sundara Kanda he used his Supernatural powers at his best.
Adventures in Ramayana;
Hanuman meets Rama during the Rama's 14-year exile. With his brother Lakshmana, Rama is searching for his wife Sita who had been abducted by Ravana. Their search brings them to the vicinity of the mountain Rishyamukha, where Sugriva, along with his followers and friends, are in hiding from his older brother Vali.
Having seen Rama and Lakshmana, Sugriva sends Hanuman to ascertain their identities. Hanuman approaches the two brothers in the guise of a brahmin. His first words to them are such that Rama says to Lakshmana that none could speak the way the brahmin did unless he or she had mastered the Vedas. He notes that there is no defect in the brahmin's countenance, eyes, forehead, brows, or any limb. He points out to Lakshmana that his accent is captivating, adding that even an enemy with sword drawn would be moved. He praises the disguised Hanuman further, saying that sure success awaited the king whose emissaries were as accomplished as he was.
When Rama introduces himself, the brahman identifies himself as Hanuman and falls prostrate before Rama, who embraces him warmly. Thereafter, Hanuman's life becomes interwoven with that of Rama. Hanuman then brings about friendship and alliance between Rama and Sugriva; Rama helps Sugriva regain his honour and makes him king of Kishkindha. Sugriva and his vanaras, most notably Hanuman, help Rama defeat Raavana and reunite with Sita.
In their search for Sita, a group of Vanaras reaches the southern seashore. Upon encountering the vast ocean, every vanara begins to lament his inability to jump across the water. Hanuman too is saddened at the possible failure of his mission, until the other vanaras and the wise bear Jambavantha begin to extol his virtues. Hanuman then recollects his own powers, enlarges his body, and flies across the ocean. On his way, he encounters Mount Mainak that rises from the sea and offers him to rest on his mountain which had abundant fruits and berries. Mainak explains that Lord Vayu had once saved him from Indra's Vajra.
Hanuman reaches Lanka through flight and marvels at its beauty. After he finds Sita in captivity in a garden, Hanuman reveals his identity to her, reassures her that Rama has been looking for her, and uplifts her spirits. He offers to carry her back to Rama, but she refuses his offer, saying it would be an insult to Rama as his honour is at stake. In order to give Sita faith, Hanuman gives her a ring that Rama wanted Hanuman to give her. After meeting Sita, Hanuman begins to wreak havoc, gradually destroying the palaces and properties of Lanka. He kills many rakshasas, including Jambumali and Aksha Kumar. To subdue him, Ravana's son Indrajit uses the Brahmastra. Though immune to the effects of this weapon Hanuman, out of respect to Brahma, allows himself be bound. Deciding to use the opportunity to meet Ravana, and to assess the strength of Ravana's hordes, Hanuman allows the rakshasa warriors to parade him through the streets. He conveys Rama's message of warning and demands the safe return of Sita. He also informs Ravana that Rama would be willing to forgive him if he returns Sita honourably.
Enraged, Ravana orders Hanuman's execution, whereupon Ravana's brother Vibhishana intervenes, pointing out that it is against the rules of engagement to kill a messenger. Ravana then orders Hanuman's tail be lit afire. As Ravana's forces attempted to wrap cloth around his tail, Hanuman begins to lengthen it. After frustrating them for a while, he allows it to burn, then escapes from his captors, and with his tail on fire he burns down large parts of Lanka. After extinguishing his flaming tail in the sea, he returns to Rama.In the Ramayana Hanuman changes shape several times. A time when he changed shape was while he searches for the kidnapped Sita in Ravana's palaces on Lanka, he contracts himself to the size of a cat, so that he will not be detected by the enemy. Later on, he takes on the size of a mountain, blazing with radiance, to show his true power to Sita.
Mountain lifting;
When Lakshmana is badly wounded during the battle against Indrajit, Hanuman is sent to fetch the Sanjivani, a powerful life-restoring herb, from Dronagiri mountain in the Himalayas, to revive him. Ravana realises that if Lakshmana dies, a distraught Rama would probably give up, and so he dispatches the sorcerer Kalanemi to intercept Hanuman. Kalanemi, in the guise of a sage, deceives Hanuman, but Hanuman uncovers his plot with the help of an apsara, whom he rescues from her accursed state as a crocodile.
Ravana, upon learning that Kalanemi has been slain by Hanuman, summons Surya to rise before its appointed time because the physician Sushena had said that Lakshmana would perish if untreated by daybreak. Hanuman realizes the danger, however, and, becoming many times his normal size, detains the Sun God to prevent the break of day. He then resumes his search for the precious herb, but, when he finds himself unable to identify which herb it is, he lifts the entire mountain and delivers it to the battlefield in Lanka. Sushena then identifies and administers the herb, and Lakshmana is saved. Rama embraces Hanuman, declaring him as dear to him as his own brother. Hanuman releases Surya from his grip, and asks forgiveness, as the Sun was also his Guru.
Hanuman was also called "langra veer"; langra in Hindi means limping and veer means "brave". The story behind Hanuman being called langra is as follows. He was injured when he was crossing the Ayodhya with the mountain in his hands. As he was crossing over Ayodhya, Bharat, Rama's young brother, saw him and assumed that some Rakshasa was taking this mountain to attack Ayodhya. Bharat then shot Hanuman with an arrow, which was engraved with Rama's name. Hanuman did not stop this arrow as it had Rama's name written on it, and it injured his leg. Hanuman landed and explained to Bharat that he was moving the mountain to save his own brother, Lakshmana. Bharat, feeling regret, offered to fire an arrow to Lanka, which Hanuman could ride in order to reach his destination more easily. But Hanuman declined the offer, preferring to fly on his own, and he continued his journey with his injured leg.
Hanuman showing Rama in His heart;
Shortly after he is crowned Emperor upon his return to Ayodhya, Rama decides to ceremoniously reward all his well-wishers. At a grand ceremony in his court, all his friends and allies take turns being honoured at the throne. Hanuman approaches without desiring a reward. Seeing Hanuman come up to him, an emotionally overwhelmed Rama embraces him warmly, declaring that he could never adequately honour or repay Hanuman for the help and services he received from the noble Vanara. Sita, however, insists that Hanuman deserved honour more than anyone else, and Sita gives him a necklace of precious stones adorning her neck.
When he receives it, Hanuman immediately takes it apart, and peers into each stone. Taken aback, many of those present demand to know why he is destroying the precious gift. Hanuman answers that he was looking into the stones to make sure that Rama and Sita are in them, because if they are not, the necklace is of no value to him. At this, a few mock Hanuman, saying his reverence and love for Rama and Sita could not possibly be as deep as he implies. In response, Hanuman tears his chest open, and everyone is stunned to see Rama and Sita literally in his heart.
After the war, and after reigning for several years, the time arrived for Rama to depart to his supreme abode Vaikuntha. Rama knew that Hanuman won't let him him go as he was his greatest ardent devotee.And so Rama took off his ring and threw into a small crack in the ground. He then let Hanuman know about this and asked him to go and get it. At the words of his Lord, Hanuman minimized his body to the shape of a ant and went inside to find the ring. Rama then went to the Sarayu River for his final journey. Meanwhile, Hanuman encountered Vasuki The King of Naglok. Hanuman told him about the ring and then Vasuki took him to the centre of NagLok where many rings were kept. Hanuman picked one up and it was Raghunandan's. But then he picked another one and it was Rama's also. Hanuman couldn't understand. Vasuki then told Hanuman that "When Shri Rama's ring will fall, it is a sign that Rama is leaving Earth". Hearing this Hanuman with the ring quickly went to meet his Lord at the Sarayu River . Many of Rama's entourage, including Sugriva, decided to depart with him. Hanuman, however, requested from Rama that he will remain on earth as long as Rama's name was venerated by people. and granted that his image would be installed at various public places, so he could listen to people chanting Rama's name. He is one of the immortals (Chiranjivi) of Hinduism.
I gave you 2 simple references to read about Pir Shams. If you cannot do that much, then I am afraid you are not worthy of any meaningful and informed discussion. You are only good for CRAP! MHI does not want his murids to remain ignorant deliberately which you are.nuseri wrote:Ya ALI madad.
My simple question is was Pir Shams a mustwada Pir lineage or sattadari Pir .
Was his name there where names or Pir lineage was mentioned in dua.somebody posted 50 names somewhere.
MHI does not want CRAP to be read or remembered..
In one Farman MHI says:nuseri wrote: There is India ITREB just around shorter version of maximum 200 Ginan.,even these need to cut down to 70 powerful ones.
One need to defend what ALI says today and not Vedas & grant data mostlyva myth.
He has used word like,Glowing,Spiritual Father,Madad dith/dath e Ilahi.,Bearer of Noor.
We should be ashamed to fall into pre historic words like kalingo,sati,ravan,draupadi,etc,etc.
"I am sure you will never forget that our Faith is based on thousands of years of history, and that we should learn from history and not think that our past is of no use to us now and that it can therefore be rejected, abbreviated or altered."
I have mentioned the above Farman several times. Do you understand English? Tell me where are the thousands of years of our history if not in Pahelaaj, Harishchandra, Tararani, etc?
Bankruptcy is in not willing to read about our faith and understanding the Farmans of the Imam.nuseri wrote: It reflects one intellectual bankruptcy on living words of MHI.if he said it then we defend and cover and propagate it.
I think the power of delusion has existed always to test the devotees resolve to overcome it and hence elevate themselves. Success and strength comes through overcoming temptations and not to succumb to them. However when the Kalingo has gone beyond bounds then the Divine power has intervened through Avtaars...shivaathervedi wrote:The interpretation of the ginanic part you quoted creates some questions;
1. Daet Kalingo was in previous 3 yugs also, and was uncontrollable, not disciplined, he was warned only and left unpunished to continue his mischief in Kalyug..
Surja Rani was an elevated and enlightened soul. These souls are given more trials and tribulations due to the grace of spiritual enlightenment. They have to bear more burden of the worldly evils. This you will find reflected in the lives of all great souls such as the Prophets, Imams, saints etc. They all overcame their tribulations without being affected by them and indeed were strengthened by them.shivaathervedi wrote: 2. Historically when Surja Rani was aware that Kalingo is a bad guy still she married him. Was not any elder around her to explain she was ruining her life!?.
There is a verse of the Ginan: Kalpat Jalpat Maaya E Mohi http://ismaili.net/heritage/node/22916 which states;
ejee neesee jal hoveto kuchh kaar na aave
peerune farmaayaa ba(n)daa sohee kamaave.. so allaah.........2
The one who is as pure as clean water will never get effected by the vagaries of time. O creature the Guide says that such a person will indeed be rewarded.
He could have taken many forms, but certainly worldly power would be an important trait.shivaathervedi wrote: 3. She calls Kalingo Raja. Was Kalingo King in previous yugs also?.
That is reasonable..shivaathervedi wrote: Though I have given few interpretation of Kalingo, but in my view following is appropriate;
KALINGO ID NAFS AMARAH AND SURJA RANI ID NAFS MUTMAI'NAH.
I wonder how Nafs amarah seizes the body and steals or takes away the soul. It rather corrupts the bodyshivaathervedi wrote: 1. EJI KAYA NAGARI MA(N)HE EK CHOR............
I consider 'EK CHOR' as nafs amarah and not as angel of death.
Nafs amara does not do that, it is only the angel of death which can do that.shivaathervedi wrote: 2. EJI PAHLA LEEDHA KOTT VERA NAW DARWAJA
There is no direct mention of Yamadot or jamaddo, only description of how he seizes the soul. He start pulling the soul from feet and move upwards making 9 openings inactive and taking complete soul out of body through left ear of forehead.
Reasonable..shivaathervedi wrote: 3. JUTHA MARNA TOU SAB JUG MAREY....
There is a comparison of material world and spiritual world. A FALSE OR ARTIFICIAL DEATH AND A REAL DEATH.
There is a good comparison in this part;
MARU(N) MARU(N) KARANTA JANAM GAMAVIO
HERLA SARIKHO AAVIYO MONKHO DHUBAVIO
To kmaherali: Ya Ali madad.
Do you follow imam SMS farman to understand the only spiritual ginans of Pir Sadarddin and also gave weight age of 1:1000 with unwarranted junky material floating then.
You have shown your Nafarmani expertise on latter. You are blinkered to what IMAM really meant to say.
If I ask a simple question ,I expect one line answer and not links which I may presently not be interested in it.
One living creature is taking all Hinduism inclined junkies in this topic.
After this topic started the ratio of posting here is 5 times than posting on mainstream Ismailism topic.
I reflect Imam SMS farman to stop pondering in previous 09 avatars.
bravo keep it up.
Study Hanuman ,you will find future Salman Faras in it.
Do you follow imam SMS farman to understand the only spiritual ginans of Pir Sadarddin and also gave weight age of 1:1000 with unwarranted junky material floating then.
You have shown your Nafarmani expertise on latter. You are blinkered to what IMAM really meant to say.
If I ask a simple question ,I expect one line answer and not links which I may presently not be interested in it.
One living creature is taking all Hinduism inclined junkies in this topic.
After this topic started the ratio of posting here is 5 times than posting on mainstream Ismailism topic.
I reflect Imam SMS farman to stop pondering in previous 09 avatars.
bravo keep it up.
Study Hanuman ,you will find future Salman Faras in it.
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shivaathervedi wrote:Is complete ASAL DUA by Pir Sadardin posted on this forum?
Few days back I requested about ASAL DUA by Pir Sadardin but so far no answer. It was mentioned on this forum that satpanthis recited that particular Dua for six centuries. It should have been in book form and available some where. I asked my satpanthi colleague about it. He replied it is not available and at present may not exists. ANY CLUE!!
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Your suggestion is noted.Admin wrote:There is no point in copy pasting long text from Wikipedia and others. I suggest you give a couple of lines to make your point followed by the original link.
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The character of Hanuman is interesting and is related to lord Rama whom satpanthis consider as their 7th avtar. I posted it for information as the thread is about Hindu Mythology.
Not only Wiki but I collected information from 2 other out lets and 2 books.
I posted only 1/4th of my complete article thinking it should be too lengthy.
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KANSA (KANS)
Lord Krishna was the eighth Avatar of Vishnu . Lord Vishnu came in Krishna Avatar to protect Dharma and to spread peace and love on earth. The name Krishna was given to him because of his color (in sanskrit krsna means the color of night i.e is Dark). Krishna is portrayed as an attractive young boy with bright eyes and divine glow on his ‘dark or blue’ skin playing a flute.
Krishna was the son of Devaki and Vaasudeva. Deavki was the sister of Kansa and daugher of King Uggarsen of Mathura. King Kansa was a cruel King he was known for his brutishness. he arranged the marriage of his sister Devaki with one of his deserving friend Vaasudev. After their marriage when King kansa was about to bid farewell to Devaki , Vaasudeva , he decided to ride the marriage chariot till Vaasudeva’s home, while he war ridding their marriage chariot he heard the AakashVani
( voice coming from Sky i.e heavens) that he will be killed by Devaki’s eighth Son. Hearing this the evil Kansa stepped into the marriage chariot and tried to kill Devaki with his sword but Vaasudeva stops him. Vaasudeva convinced him saying that they will submit their eighth child and he can do anything to him. Kansa imprisoned Dewaki and Vaasudeva , he even imprisoned his father Uggersen.
Kansa imprisoned the couple and he killed each and every child of Devaki and Vaasudev the day it was born by lumping it on the stone. Turn by turn , year by year six sons was killed mercilessly by Kansa. Now Devaki was pregnant with the seventh child.
Lord Vishnu called upon Goddess Mahamaya and asked her to transfer the seventh child in Devaki’s womb to Rohini’s womb. Rohini was the first wife of Vaasudeva. Mahamaya did so, she transferd the seventh child of Vaasudeva in Rohini’s womb who resides in Gokul with Yasodha and Nanda Raj , Nand Raj was the brother in Law of Vaasudeva. This seventh Child was Balraam who was very brave and Robust. After an year Devaki was having her eight child in her womb. She gave birth to Krishna on mid night of Ashtami (a day according to hindu calender, this day is now celebrated as Janamashtami) it was raining heavily. The prison Guards were sleeping , Devaki and Vaasudeva prayed to God to to have mercy on their child and to protect him from evil Kansa, by that time the chains of Vaasudeva broke and the prisons doors opened itself . the Guards were sleeping as if the were dead. Devaki hugged the child closed to her heart and gave it to Vaasudeva. Vaasudeva took the child and rushed towards Gokul. Vaasudeva reached River Yamuna he saw baskets on the river bank, he placed the child in one of the basket and lifted it over his head.
Vaasudeva reached Nandraja’s house ,his wife yashoda just gave birth to a baby girl. Devaki and NandRaja were shoked but at the same time they were happy to see Vaasudeva who returned after many years. Vaasudeva told the whole story to them Yashoda’s heart was filled with grief at Dewaki’s misfortune. She told Vaasudeva to give her his son and so that Kansa may not get suspicious he can take her daughter with him. Vaasudeva was so pleased with their Favor that he borke out with tears in his eyes. Yashoda placed her daughter in the basket and Vaasudeva took her to Mathura. Vaasudeva reached the prison and the chains itself bound around him and the prisons doors also closed itself. The baby girl started crying and her cry woke the guards they informed Kansa. Kansa came and snatched the baby girl from Devaki and he was about to through her then the girl ,she vanished from her hands towards the sky. The girl turned into a goddess and warned Kansa that his slayer is being raised in Gokul, out of his reach and his death will soon come and embrace him.
Krishna Killed Kansa:
Kansa’s every attempt to kill Krishna had failed. Krishna hand Balraam had destroyed the force of his mighty worriers. his thoughts were ceased. Kansa planned to organize Dhanoriya yugana and invite Krishna as well as Balraama , so that he could challenge them . Kansa immediately send his cousin, Akrura to Gokul for Krishna and Balraama.
Kansa heard the news of Krishna’s and Balraam’s arrival. He asked his minister to unchain the mad elephant Kuvalayapidain in krishna’s way. The elephant Kuvalayapida ran towards Krishna destroying everything coming in his way. Krishna cut off his trunk with his sword and the elephant died off pain.
Kansa went to stadium and sat on his throne ,he asked Akhrur to point towards Krishna and Balraama. The matches were not an ordinary wrestling matches it was do or die matches, Death was inevitable for the looser. Kansa challenged Krishna and Balrama to fight with Mushtika and Chanura , the invincible demon warriors. Balaram attacked Mushtika, using his mighty mace. Mushtika fell down with an enormous roar of pain in the first blow itself and Krishna clumped Chanura, they fought on and on with all their strengths but could not stant winsive against Krishna and Balraama. Kansa was shocked to see his best warriors in the clutches of Krishna and Balarama. Krishna then roared "Uncle Kansa now its your turn to go to hell”. Every body in the stadium was so confident for Krishna that they stated to shout “kill kansa, kill the evil, end the Tyrant” . Kansa tried to escape arena but could not flee. Krishna caught hold of kansa and made him to count on his bad deeds, killing innocent children, imprisoning Dewaki and Vaasudeva, imprisoning his own father King Uggersen, doing all injustice to the people of Mathura, after making him half breath and pulling his hair. Krishna cut off his uncle Kansa’s head with Sudarshan Chakkar.
Lord Krishna was the eighth Avatar of Vishnu . Lord Vishnu came in Krishna Avatar to protect Dharma and to spread peace and love on earth. The name Krishna was given to him because of his color (in sanskrit krsna means the color of night i.e is Dark). Krishna is portrayed as an attractive young boy with bright eyes and divine glow on his ‘dark or blue’ skin playing a flute.
Krishna was the son of Devaki and Vaasudeva. Deavki was the sister of Kansa and daugher of King Uggarsen of Mathura. King Kansa was a cruel King he was known for his brutishness. he arranged the marriage of his sister Devaki with one of his deserving friend Vaasudev. After their marriage when King kansa was about to bid farewell to Devaki , Vaasudeva , he decided to ride the marriage chariot till Vaasudeva’s home, while he war ridding their marriage chariot he heard the AakashVani
( voice coming from Sky i.e heavens) that he will be killed by Devaki’s eighth Son. Hearing this the evil Kansa stepped into the marriage chariot and tried to kill Devaki with his sword but Vaasudeva stops him. Vaasudeva convinced him saying that they will submit their eighth child and he can do anything to him. Kansa imprisoned Dewaki and Vaasudeva , he even imprisoned his father Uggersen.
Kansa imprisoned the couple and he killed each and every child of Devaki and Vaasudev the day it was born by lumping it on the stone. Turn by turn , year by year six sons was killed mercilessly by Kansa. Now Devaki was pregnant with the seventh child.
Lord Vishnu called upon Goddess Mahamaya and asked her to transfer the seventh child in Devaki’s womb to Rohini’s womb. Rohini was the first wife of Vaasudeva. Mahamaya did so, she transferd the seventh child of Vaasudeva in Rohini’s womb who resides in Gokul with Yasodha and Nanda Raj , Nand Raj was the brother in Law of Vaasudeva. This seventh Child was Balraam who was very brave and Robust. After an year Devaki was having her eight child in her womb. She gave birth to Krishna on mid night of Ashtami (a day according to hindu calender, this day is now celebrated as Janamashtami) it was raining heavily. The prison Guards were sleeping , Devaki and Vaasudeva prayed to God to to have mercy on their child and to protect him from evil Kansa, by that time the chains of Vaasudeva broke and the prisons doors opened itself . the Guards were sleeping as if the were dead. Devaki hugged the child closed to her heart and gave it to Vaasudeva. Vaasudeva took the child and rushed towards Gokul. Vaasudeva reached River Yamuna he saw baskets on the river bank, he placed the child in one of the basket and lifted it over his head.
Vaasudeva reached Nandraja’s house ,his wife yashoda just gave birth to a baby girl. Devaki and NandRaja were shoked but at the same time they were happy to see Vaasudeva who returned after many years. Vaasudeva told the whole story to them Yashoda’s heart was filled with grief at Dewaki’s misfortune. She told Vaasudeva to give her his son and so that Kansa may not get suspicious he can take her daughter with him. Vaasudeva was so pleased with their Favor that he borke out with tears in his eyes. Yashoda placed her daughter in the basket and Vaasudeva took her to Mathura. Vaasudeva reached the prison and the chains itself bound around him and the prisons doors also closed itself. The baby girl started crying and her cry woke the guards they informed Kansa. Kansa came and snatched the baby girl from Devaki and he was about to through her then the girl ,she vanished from her hands towards the sky. The girl turned into a goddess and warned Kansa that his slayer is being raised in Gokul, out of his reach and his death will soon come and embrace him.
Krishna Killed Kansa:
Kansa’s every attempt to kill Krishna had failed. Krishna hand Balraam had destroyed the force of his mighty worriers. his thoughts were ceased. Kansa planned to organize Dhanoriya yugana and invite Krishna as well as Balraama , so that he could challenge them . Kansa immediately send his cousin, Akrura to Gokul for Krishna and Balraama.
Kansa heard the news of Krishna’s and Balraam’s arrival. He asked his minister to unchain the mad elephant Kuvalayapidain in krishna’s way. The elephant Kuvalayapida ran towards Krishna destroying everything coming in his way. Krishna cut off his trunk with his sword and the elephant died off pain.
Kansa went to stadium and sat on his throne ,he asked Akhrur to point towards Krishna and Balraama. The matches were not an ordinary wrestling matches it was do or die matches, Death was inevitable for the looser. Kansa challenged Krishna and Balrama to fight with Mushtika and Chanura , the invincible demon warriors. Balaram attacked Mushtika, using his mighty mace. Mushtika fell down with an enormous roar of pain in the first blow itself and Krishna clumped Chanura, they fought on and on with all their strengths but could not stant winsive against Krishna and Balraama. Kansa was shocked to see his best warriors in the clutches of Krishna and Balarama. Krishna then roared "Uncle Kansa now its your turn to go to hell”. Every body in the stadium was so confident for Krishna that they stated to shout “kill kansa, kill the evil, end the Tyrant” . Kansa tried to escape arena but could not flee. Krishna caught hold of kansa and made him to count on his bad deeds, killing innocent children, imprisoning Dewaki and Vaasudeva, imprisoning his own father King Uggersen, doing all injustice to the people of Mathura, after making him half breath and pulling his hair. Krishna cut off his uncle Kansa’s head with Sudarshan Chakkar.
Don't spread lies. If you mention a Farman quote it with date and place. We know that the present Imam has called Ginans a Wonderful Tradition which should be carried for generations to come.nuseri wrote:To kmaherali: Ya Ali madad.
Do you follow imam SMS farman to understand the only spiritual ginans of Pir Sadarddin and also gave weight age of 1:1000 with unwarranted junky material floating then..
"Many times I have recommended to my spiritual children that they should remember the Ginans, that they should understand the meaning of these Ginans and that they should carry these meanings in their hearts. It is most important that my spiritual children from wherever they may come should, through the ages and from generation to generation, hold to this tradition which is so special, so unique and so important to my jamat." Karachi, 16.12.1964
There has never been any guidance from him about making any differentiation in them. So please stop this non-sense of yours.
You are lazy and have no desire to read and know stuff. All you are interested is in propagating unsubstantiated facts and lies.nuseri wrote: You have shown your Nafarmani expertise on latter. You are blinkered to what IMAM really meant to say.
If I ask a simple question ,I expect one line answer and not links which I may presently not be interested in it..
That is absolute lie. Please quote the Farman and the date and place.nuseri wrote: I reflect Imam SMS farman to stop pondering in previous 09 avatars.
bravo keep it up.
Study Hanuman ,you will find future Salman Faras in it.
On the contrary there is a Farman:
"The philosophy of Ten Incarnations (DAS AVTAAR) should be taken and explained in the light of Islamic principles; also the understanding of ALLAH'S NOOR, whose lineal descent is from even before creation, should be given. These principles, Pir Sadardin during the time of Shri Islam Shah has explained, they should be explained in a similar manner.
(Kalam-e Imam-e Mubin, II, p473).
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There was a publication of it by the then Ismailia Association of India in Gujerati. I had a photocopy of it and seem to have misplaced it.shivaathervedi wrote:Few days back I requested about ASAL DUA by Pir Sadardin but so far no answer. It was mentioned on this forum that satpanthis recited that particular Dua for six centuries. It should have been in book form and available some where. I asked my satpanthi colleague about it. He replied it is not available and at present may not exists. ANY CLUE!!
The Pir at the time of Sri Ram was Veejeshthann as per Anant Akhado:shivaathervedi wrote:Lord Rama gave glad tiding to Hanuman that he will stay immortal ( chiranjivi)
till end of kalyug to guide and help stray souls. Was hanuman a pir at time of Rama?
Aashaajee Jug kartaa maanhe ek kalaa rachaayaa
tees maanhe ham-kun jaanno jee
beejaa jug maanhe Veejeshthann kaheeyen
sobee ham avtaar........................Haree anant..374
Oh Lord During the era of Kerta the Lord created a manifestation
I(Pir Hassan Kabirdin) was that manifestation (as Gur
Brahma)
In the Treta Jug the manifestation was called
Veejeshthann
even that was my manifestation
Haree You are eternal...
Also mentioned in the Ginan: Pahelaa Kartaa Jugamaa(n)he Sonaanaare Ghatt http://ismaili.net/heritage/node/22960
ejee beeje tretaa jugmaa(n)he rupaanaare ghatt shaah naa rupaanaare paatt
rupaane see(n)ghaasanne betthaa shree raamcha(n)ddhrajee raay
gur veejeshtthann nee aartee ne chamar ddhallaay
kesar ne ka(n)kunaa shaahne chhaa(n)ttannaa chha(n)ttaay.....2
During the second era of Tretaa, the Path was silver and the Lord's stage was also silver. Lord Raamchandra was seated on a silver throne as the King. Through the supplications of the Guide Veejeshtan, the place was decorated and made glorious. Sprinkle the Lord with yellowish and golden particles.
Ismaili version of Lord Krishna's biography is given by late Alwaez Shamshu Bandali in his book: The Noor En Allah Noor which can be accessed at: http://ismaili.net/heritage/node/15495.shivaathervedi wrote:KANSA (KANS)
Lord Krishna was the eighth Avatar of Vishnu . Lord Vishnu came in Krishna Avatar to protect Dharma and to spread peace and love on earth. The name Krishna was given to him because of his color (in sanskrit krsna means the color of night i.e is Dark). Krishna is portrayed as an attractive young boy with bright eyes and divine glow on his ‘dark or blue’ skin playing a flute.
The account is from page 51 onwards in the file:
http://ismaili.net/heritage/files/NoorE ... 0-80_0.pdf
On Page 58 there is mention of MSMS's recollection of his manifestation in the Krishna Avtaar:
“MISSIONARY! YE KONSA STATION HAY?” Mowlana Sultan Muhammad Shah while recollecting His Divine “Noorani” aspect and “Noorani” incarnation of five thousand years ago, asked one of the missionaries on His Huzur staff while travelling in the interior of India.
“KHUDAWIND! YE MATHURA KA STATION HE! ,” the missionary replied.
“MISSIONARY, KRISHNA AVTAR ME MAYNE IDHAR BAHOT KHEL KIYA, AUR MOMINOKO BAHOT LADD LADAYA,” Mowlana Sultan Muhammad Shah uttered these unique and most wonderful recollections of His Divine Avtar.
To kmaherali: Ya Ali Madad.
The extract of farman you posted.
1.to whom it was said? Possibly missionaries then.
2.the word philosophy is used which to know the core essence,belief,ideology and NOT all the stories, persona, fairy takes,event.
3.To UNDERSTAND,means to deeply understand the context and baatin of it.and understand Thr upper face value.
4.to know of only Pir Sadarddin explanation of it,this words undermines remarks made by other pirs on this topic and if any it to taken with marginal pinch of salt.
5.to explain like that PIR only, this is challenge as it is not easy to THINK N EXPLAIN like him by a average scholar or even great ones.
Alwaez xyz bungled in context of few simple lines of Ginans.
This farman has 04 riders to eliminate all smart cookies to go into previous 09 avatar.
Pir SADARDDIN was a body but imolied Noor e Ali.
In a analogy of mine.
If we say 1 thougrerbreed race horse has equal value of 1000 mules.
If horses,zebras,mules,donkies all come under family of horses.
To jump into and embrace word said under heading Ginan is sure shot blinkered or over smart way to collate data.( bottom line is for fame,fortune& thrill avoid donkies& mules.)
The above farman tell to narrow down to philosophy, deeply understand,specific selection of study material, thinking and explaining that of an entity.
WHICH ISMAILI FITS THAT RIDER?
maybe very few.
Read and UNDERSTAND what ALI really & very selective & precisely say on the subject of Das Avatar.
if we overlook simple wordings of farmans in layman English, then God save our souls.
The extract of farman you posted.
1.to whom it was said? Possibly missionaries then.
2.the word philosophy is used which to know the core essence,belief,ideology and NOT all the stories, persona, fairy takes,event.
3.To UNDERSTAND,means to deeply understand the context and baatin of it.and understand Thr upper face value.
4.to know of only Pir Sadarddin explanation of it,this words undermines remarks made by other pirs on this topic and if any it to taken with marginal pinch of salt.
5.to explain like that PIR only, this is challenge as it is not easy to THINK N EXPLAIN like him by a average scholar or even great ones.
Alwaez xyz bungled in context of few simple lines of Ginans.
This farman has 04 riders to eliminate all smart cookies to go into previous 09 avatar.
Pir SADARDDIN was a body but imolied Noor e Ali.
In a analogy of mine.
If we say 1 thougrerbreed race horse has equal value of 1000 mules.
If horses,zebras,mules,donkies all come under family of horses.
To jump into and embrace word said under heading Ginan is sure shot blinkered or over smart way to collate data.( bottom line is for fame,fortune& thrill avoid donkies& mules.)
The above farman tell to narrow down to philosophy, deeply understand,specific selection of study material, thinking and explaining that of an entity.
WHICH ISMAILI FITS THAT RIDER?
maybe very few.
Read and UNDERSTAND what ALI really & very selective & precisely say on the subject of Das Avatar.
if we overlook simple wordings of farmans in layman English, then God save our souls.
It was published in KIM, so it is a Farman, to whom it was made is of no significance.nuseri wrote:To kmaherali: Ya Ali Madad.
The extract of farman you posted.
1.to whom it was said? Possibly missionaries then..
Philosophy can be expressed in many ways. It is not by rigorous reason only, but it can be expressed through stories, role models, art, music etc. For example obedience of various personalities such as Pahelaaj, Harishchadra, Dhopadi can convey the essence of our faith with regard to the relationship between the murid and the Imam leading to salvation of the soul. It is just not simply idle speculation but concrete examples of what can be achieved by a murid under the Imams guidance and protection.nuseri wrote: 2.the word philosophy is used which to know the core essence,belief,ideology and NOT all the stories, persona, fairy takes,event..
Yes and that is what is implied.nuseri wrote: 3.To UNDERSTAND,means to deeply understand the context and baatin of it.and understand Thr upper face value..
Have other Pirs contradicted what Pir Sadardeen has explained. If so provide examples.nuseri wrote: 4.to know of only Pir Sadarddin explanation of it,this words undermines remarks made by other pirs on this topic and if any it to taken with marginal pinch of salt..
It can be difficult but we can try our best. But this is the case of any poetry or advanced work of art.nuseri wrote: 5.to explain like that PIR only, this is challenge as it is not easy to THINK N EXPLAIN like him by a average scholar or even great ones.
Alwaez xyz bungled in context of few simple lines of Ginans..
I have lost you, I cannot follow what you are saying.nuseri wrote: This farman has 04 riders to eliminate all smart cookies to go into previous 09 avatar.
Pir SADARDDIN was a body but imolied Noor e Ali.
In a analogy of mine.
If we say 1 thougrerbreed race horse has equal value of 1000 mules.
If horses,zebras,mules,donkies all come under family of horses.
To jump into and embrace word said under heading Ginan is sure shot blinkered or over smart way to collate data.( bottom line is for fame,fortune& thrill avoid donkies& mules.)
The above farman tell to narrow down to philosophy, deeply understand,specific selection of study material, thinking and explaining that of an entity.
WHICH ISMAILI FITS THAT RIDER?
maybe very few.
Read and UNDERSTAND what ALI really & very selective & precisely say on the subject of Das Avatar.
if we overlook simple wordings of farmans in layman English, then God save our souls.
To Kmaherali:Ya Ali Madad.
Losing what I intent to say is not that important but to loose from many years what ALI directs on many issues at times are very clear, specific,precise,focused and parameters set within.
Loosing that direction is not a sign of a rock solid Haqiqati Momin.
You are much better in your posting with study and defense than most may be the IIS is to be complemented to have great Alumni's like you.
Losing what I intent to say is not that important but to loose from many years what ALI directs on many issues at times are very clear, specific,precise,focused and parameters set within.
Loosing that direction is not a sign of a rock solid Haqiqati Momin.
You are much better in your posting with study and defense than most may be the IIS is to be complemented to have great Alumni's like you.