Near Death Experiences (NDEs)

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Death Is But a Dream: Finding Hope and Meaning at Life's End Hardcover – February 11, 2020
by Christopher Kerr (Author), Carine Mardorossian (Author)

The first book to validate the meaningful dreams and visions that bring comfort as death nears.

Christopher Kerr is a hospice doctor. All of his patients die. Yet he has cared for thousands of patients who, in the face of death, speak of love and grace. Beyond the physical realities of dying are unseen processes that are remarkably life-affirming. These include dreams that are unlike any regular dream. Described as "more real than real," these end-of-life experiences resurrect past relationships, meaningful events and themes of love and forgiveness; they restore life's meaning and mark the transition from distress to comfort and acceptance.

Drawing on interviews with over 1,400 patients and more than a decade of quantified data, Dr. Kerr reveals that pre-death dreams and visions are extraordinary occurrences that humanize the dying process. He shares how his patients' stories point to death as not solely about the end of life, but as the final chapter of humanity's transcendence. Kerr's book also illuminates the benefits of these phenomena for the bereaved, who find solace in seeing their loved ones pass with a sense of calm closure.

Beautifully written, with astonishing real-life characters and stories, this book is at its heart a celebration of our power to reclaim the dying process as a deeply meaningful one. Death Is But a Dream is an important contribution to our understanding of medicine's and humanity's greatest mystery.

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A New Vision for Dreams of the Dying

One evening in the late fall, Lucien Majors, 84, sat at his kitchen table, his wife Jan by his side, as he described a recent dream.

Mr. Majors had end-stage bladder cancer and was in renal failure. As he spoke with a doctor from Hospice Buffalo , he was alert but faltering.

In the dream, he said, he was in his car with his great pal, Carmen. His three sons, teenagers, were in the back seat, joking around.

“We’re driving down Clinton Street,” said Mr. Majors, his watery, pale blue eyes widening with delight at the thought of the road trip.

“We were looking for the Grand Canyon.” And then they saw it. “We talked about how amazing, because there it was — all this time, the Grand Canyon was just at the end of Clinton Street!”

Mr. Majors had not spoken with Carmen in more than 20 years. His sons are in their late 50s and early 60s.

“Why do you think your boys were in the car?” asked Dr. Christopher W. Kerr, a Hospice Buffalo palliative care physician who researches the therapeutic role of patients’ end-of-life dreams and visions.

“My sons are the greatest accomplishment of my life,” Mr. Majors said.

He died three weeks later.

For thousands of years, the dreams and visions of the dying have captivated cultures, which imbued them with sacred import. Anthropologists, theologians and sociologists have studied these so-called deathbed phenomena. They appear in medieval writings and Renaissance paintings, in Shakespearean works and set pieces from 19th-century American and British novels, particularly by Dickens. One of the most famous moments in film is the mysterious deathbed murmur in “Citizen Kane”: “Rosebud!”

Even the law reveres a dying person’s final words, allowing them to be admitted as evidence in an unusual exception to hearsay rules.

In the modern medical world, such experiences have been noted by psychologists, social workers and nurses. But doctors tend to give them a wide berth because “we don’t know what the hell they are,” said Dr. Timothy E. Quill, an expert on palliative care medicine at the University of Rochester Medical Center. Some researchers have surmised that patients and doctors avoid reporting these phenomena for fear of ridicule.

Now a team of clinicians and researchers led by Dr. Kerr at Hospice Buffalo, an internist who has a doctorate in neurobiology, are seeking to demystify these experiences and understand their role and importance in supporting “a good death” — for the patient and the bereaved.

These events are distinct from “near-death experiences,” such as those recalled by people revived in intensive care units, said Pei C. Grant, the director of the research team. “These are people on a journey towards death, not people who just missed it.”

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Is there any Farman about NDE, or any explanation from Hazar Imam on the subject.
At time of death:

HAATH GHASEY NE DUSASA MELEY
JEEBLARIYE TARA DEEDHA
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swamidada wrote:Is there any Farman about NDE, or any explanation from Hazar Imam on the subject.
At time of death:

HAATH GHASEY NE DUSASA MELEY
JEEBLARIYE TARA DEEDHA
I have not come across any. However murids have experienced NDE's wherein MHI has appeared. These have been mentioned in this thread.

Also many of the NDE's described and discussed in this thread can be experienced in bandagi/ibadat. This has been alluded to in the Ginans.
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kmaherali wrote:
swamidada wrote:Is there any Farman about NDE, or any explanation from Hazar Imam on the subject.
At time of death:

HAATH GHASEY NE DUSASA MELEY
JEEBLARIYE TARA DEEDHA
I have not come across any. However murids have experienced NDE's wherein MHI has appeared. These have been mentioned in this thread.

Also many of the NDE's described and discussed in this thread can be experienced in bandagi/ibadat. This has been alluded to in the Ginans.
Couple of times I was asked by families to recite Quran ( Surah Yaseen) at last moments of deceased. At that time I suggested the family members to hang Picture of Hazar Imam on opposite wall so that the deceased can see face of Imam for comfort.
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A rare glimpse into heaven, hell, and previous lives—Dr. Rajiv Parti’s near-death experience brought him on a journey through the afterworld, leading to a spiritual awakening that transformed his career, his lifestyle, and his most fundamental beliefs.

Before his near-death experience, Dr. Rajiv Parti was a wealthy man of science with a successful career as the Chief of Anesthesiology at the Bakersfield Heart Hospital in California. He demanded the same success from his son, whose failures provoked episodes of abuse from Dr. Parti. All in all, Dr. Parti was the last man to believe in heaven or hell—that is, until he saw them with his own eyes.

When Dr. Parti had his near-death experience on the operating table, he first watched his own operation from the ceiling—even recalling a joke told by his doctors during his surgery. He was greeted by archangels and his deceased father who led him through the tortures of hell and revealed the toxic cycle of violence that has plagued his family for generations. He even reviewed the struggles of his previous lives which, in many ways, reflected those he still faced in the present. Finally, he experienced heaven. From the angels, he learned lessons of spiritual health that they insisted he bring down to earth—to do so, Dr. Parti knew he had to change his ways.

After his near-death experience, Dr. Parti awoke a new man. He gave away his mansion, quit his career, opened a wellness clinic, and completely turned around his relationships with his family. To this day, he still converses with angels and spreads their wisdom to the living.

In this remarkable “spiritual wake-up call” (Suzanne Giesemann, author of Messages of Hope), Dr. Parti provides rare details of heaven, hell, the afterlife, and angels and offers you the opportunity to attain peace and live a better life here on Earth.

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Imagine Heaven: Near-Death Experiences, God's Promises, and the Exhilarating Future That Awaits You


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It's obvious from the bookshelves and the big screen that heaven is on everyone's mind. All of us long to know what life after death will be like. Bestselling author John Burke is no exception. For decades, he has been studying accounts of people who have had near-death experiences (NDEs). While not every detail of individual NDEs correlate with Scripture, Burke shows how the common experiences shared by thousands of survivors clearly point to the God of the Bible and the exhilarating picture of heaven he promises.

Imagine Heaven is an inspirational journey through the Bible's picture of heaven, colored in with the real-life stories of heaven's wonders. Burke compares gripping stories of NDEs to what Scripture says about our biggest questions of heaven: Will I be myself? Will I see friends and loved ones? What will it look like? What is God like? What will we do forever? What about children and pets? This book will propel readers into an experience that will forever change their view of the life to come and the way they live life today. It also tackles the tough questions of heavenly reward and hellish NDEs. Anyone interested in NDEs or longing to imagine heaven more clearly will enjoy this fascinating and hope-filled book.

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Eben Alexander: A Neurosurgeon's Journey through the Afterlife

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In this intimate and powerful re-examination of his best-selling book "Proof of Heaven," Dr. Alexander looks at the past two and a half years of his life spent in trying to reconcile his rich spiritual experience with contemporary physics and cosmology. He is convinced that his remarkable near-death journey is totally consistent with the leading edges of scientific understanding today. 2014.

Want more? Join Eben Alexander for an experiential on-demand workshop with insights, discussion, guided meditation, and heart activation to explore the soul’s journey through its process of rebirth, life, and the afterlife.
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The #1 New York Times bestselling account of a neurosurgeon's own near-death experience—for readers of 7 Lessons from Heaven.

Thousands of people have had near-death experiences, but scientists have argued that they are impossible. Dr. Eben Alexander was one of those scientists. A highly trained neurosurgeon, Alexander knew that NDEs feel real, but are simply fantasies produced by brains under extreme stress.

Then, Dr. Alexander’s own brain was attacked by a rare illness. The part of the brain that controls thought and emotion—and in essence makes us human—shut down completely. For seven days he lay in a coma. Then, as his doctors considered stopping treatment, Alexander’s eyes popped open. He had come back.

Alexander’s recovery is a medical miracle. But the real miracle of his story lies elsewhere. While his body lay in coma, Alexander journeyed beyond this world and encountered an angelic being who guided him into the deepest realms of super-physical existence. There he met, and spoke with, the Divine source of the universe itself.

Alexander’s story is not a fantasy. Before he underwent his journey, he could not reconcile his knowledge of neuroscience with any belief in heaven, God, or the soul. Today Alexander is a doctor who believes that true health can be achieved only when we realize that God and the soul are real and that death is not the end of personal existence but only a transition.

This story would be remarkable no matter who it happened to. That it happened to Dr. Alexander makes it revolutionary. No scientist or person of faith will be able to ignore it. Reading it will change your life.

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The Telegraph
It’s true - life may well flash before your eyes when you die
Joe Pinkstone
Wed, February 23, 2022, 7:35 AM

Our life may very well flash before our eyes when we are on the brink of death, according to the first recording of a dying brain.

The discovery was made when a patient died while having their brain activity monitored by experts. Electrodes detected an uptick in activity linked to memory recall and dreaming.

Experts believe this backs up reports and accounts from people who have suffered near-death experiences and claim to have seen their life flash before their eyes.

This is the first empirical data from an actual death to support the theory, which has become a common belief throughout society.

The individual who died was an 87-year-old man from Estonia who had been admitted to hospital after a fall.

He was sent for various scans that found a significant brain bleed and an operation was successful. Afterwards, the patient was stable for two days in intensive care.

But he then began to suffer from epileptic seizures, undergoing at least a dozen episodes, so the clinicians organised an EEG — electroencephalography — to help track and treat the haywire brain activity caused by the trauma.

Patient died of heart attack
While the EEG was still ongoing, the patient suffered a cardiac arrest and died, with the data being the first and only time the activity of a dying human brain has been recorded.

This gave the doctors and their colleagues a unique opportunity to study what happens in the brain as a person passes over the threshold from life to death.

They saw that at the time of death, brain activity was very similar to what happens when a person is meditating, dreaming, or reliving past memories.

The scans and details of the patient’s situation were passed to Dr Ajmal Zemmar, a neurosurgeon at the University of Louisville, who analysed the one-of-a-kind case study.

“We measured 900 seconds of brain activity around the time of death and set a specific focus to investigate what happened in the 30 seconds before and after the heart stopped beating,” he told Frontiers Science News.

He added that on either side of the heart’s last contraction, there was a change in a certain type of brain wave, called gamma oscillations.

While all brain waves began to dwindle, gamma accounted for a larger than normal percentage. Previous studies have found gamma waves to be responsible for some high-functioning processes and are intrinsically linked to concentrating, dreaming, memory retrieval and conscious perception.

“Through generating oscillations involved in memory retrieval, the brain may be playing a last recall of important life events just before we die, similar to the ones reported in near-death experiences,” Dr Zemmar said.

“These findings challenge our understanding of when exactly life ends and generate important subsequent questions, such as those related to the timing of organ donation.”

He added that the results gave neuroscientists hope to better understand the "life recall" phenomenon which is often reported by those who have had near-death experiences.

Practical issues with further research
Writing in their study, published in the journal, Frontiers in Aging Neuroscience, the researchers from the US, China, Australia and Estonia say the data “advocate that the human brain may possess the capability to generate coordinated activity during the near-death period.”

But while the researchers call for more studies on this topic, they do acknowledge the practical issues with that, as it does involve the death of the participants.

“It may ultimately be difficult to assess this in a physiological environment, since gathering such data from “healthy-subjects” is impossible by definition,” they write.

“We do not anticipate death in healthy subjects and therefore could not obtain uninterrupted recordings in the near-death phase in anything other than from circumstances involving pathological conditions in acute care hospital settings.”

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swamidada wrote: Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:59 pm The Telegraph
It’s true - life may well flash before your eyes when you die
It is called terminal lucidity

Terminal lucidity, also known as rallying or the rally, is an unexpected return of mental clarity and memory, or suddenly regained consciousness that occurs in the time shortly before death in patients suffering from severe psychiatric or neurological disorders.

Terminal lucidity - Wikipediahttps://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Terminal_lucidity
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One of the questions everyone wants the answer to may have been solved by accident. A groundbreaking study offers hard new evidence that, at the moment we shuffle off this mortal coil, our life really does flash before our eyes, challenging the very understanding of the time at which death actually occurs.

Dr Ajmal Zemmar, a neurosurgeon at the University of Louisville, in the US, stumbled across something so deep, it throws doubt over when a person truly dies. He was treating an 87-year-old patient, who had a bleed between the brain and skull. Although Zemmar removed the clot, the patient began having seizures, so an electroencephalogram (EEG) was attached to record his brain activity. This was all routine.

“The thing that changed the standard was this: while the EEG was recording, the patient suffered a cardiac arrest and died. So, now, all of a sudden, we have the first-ever recording from life to death in the human brain,” Zemmar told RT.

To the layperson it might not sound that profound, but there are a few reasons such activity has never been recorded before. First, it’s impossible to know when someone will die in order to be ready to measure it. And, second, the accepted way to measure life is by recording a heartbeat - that is, the activity of the heart, rather than the brain.

“What we do as standard is record EKG [electrocardiogram] activity. When we have a patient in the ICU, we don’t, as standard, record EEG,” explained Zemmar. “So, one thing our study might open up for discussion is this: is it worthwhile considering recording EEG? When do we die – is it when the heart stops beating or when the brain stops reacting?”

Zemmar and his colleague Professor Raul Vicente Zafra of the University of Tartu, in Estonia, and their team recently published a paper titled ‘Enhanced Interplay of Neuronal Coherence and Coupling in the Dying Human Brain’. By analysing the readings, they saw a spike in brain activity after ‘death’.

“There’s a frequency called the gamma band, which is electrical activity in your brain going up and down 40 or 50 times per second … And we saw that, after cardiac arrest, the power of this rhythm increased,” said Vicente. “We also saw the power increase in this same frequency range when someone was engaged in activities like memorising a list of words, for example.”

Based on the data the researchers collated, the idea of our life flashing before our eyes at great speed when we die is a serious possibility. Such oscillations occur for a full 30 seconds before death, if we have the misfortune to suffer a cardiac arrest.

In Zemmar’s view, a previous paper offers further confirmation of this theory: “In a study in rats that was done nine years ago by colleagues in the United States, they saw very similar findings around the time of death in those that had no injury and had a clean, healthy brain. In these rats, they were observing very similar findings to what we’re seeing in the human brain.”

Zemmar’s and Vicente’s team kept their research on ice as they analysed their findings, but now they’ve published it and are posing some very big questions.

“One of the things we would like to open up for discussion is this: if, when we say the patient ‘died’, we refer to the time when their heart stopped, is that correct? Because, if their brain keeps going, are they really dead? ” Zemmar speculated. “We would rather say, in this case, that, after the heart stopped pumping blood, we recorded 30 seconds of activity in the brain. To us, the patient was not yet dead, by definition.”

As testament to how big these findings could be, the study has garnered global interest. But It’s been hard work for Zemmar and Vicente to ensure their study is as robust as possible.

“We’ve been working on this data set for quite some time – that’s something people don’t realise – so it’s very nice now to get the rewards and the attention, and see them being interested. All this analysis takes time and it’s been the work of months, if not years,” explained Vicente.

The neuroscientists do appreciate, however, that they have data from only one patient and that the extreme nature of collecting similar data means it’s unlikely their research will be repeated on a mass scale.

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“We have one case, and one is better than none. We’ve waited for quite some time to go out with this, hoping there would be more people coming along to give us more cases, but there simply aren’t any,” Zemmar said.

Some might still be wondering why they can’t just repeat their research. “The difficulty is we would have to speak with families and say, ‘In the last moments, would you be OK with us doing an experiment?’ Even if families would agree to this, you can’t predict death,” explained Zemmar. “So, when the patient dies and you keep them artificially alive with machines and put on electrodes, I don’t know how much true brain activity you would capture and how much would be the brain saying goodbye and the heart artificially working.”

He and Vicente hope that, by releasing their data, they will prompt other scientists with relevant research to share it with them so further conclusions can be drawn in what is surely one of the most defining scientific studies in history, calling into question the very idea of death.

“There is no scientific evidence that the patient would really have died when the heart stopped beating, if you just look at the pure data we have. It might be a few seconds later, maybe in some other patients it’s a few seconds less or more. I don’t know. But it’s fair to say, maybe what we declared as death was a few seconds too early,” said Zemmar.

It could be different for each individual. Is it 20 seconds? 45 seconds? 90 seconds?

Speaking to RT via Zoom, both men were beaming and clearly proud their work is receiving so much positive attention. It could also cap an incredible rise for Zemmar, who, as a refugee, fled Afghanistan aged six with his parents, arriving in Berlin just three days before the wall came down in 1989. He was raised there before pursuing a career in neuroscience internationally.

“The moment we saw similar findings to what they had seen in the rat study… those are the moments you live for as a scientist. It’s like when a soccer player wins the World Cup. It was one of the most unforgettable moments we’ve ever had,” he said.

‘We have the first-ever recording of what’s happening in a brain from life to death’
Of course, what happens when we die is not only a scientific question, but a spiritual one. Ironically, this study might actually be of more use to the living than the dead. “I’ve received messages from friends and patients who recently lost a family member,” said Zemmar. “They said the idea that their loved one might have been having a flashback of the nicest moments of the life that they’d experienced together gave them calm at the moment they had to say goodbye.”

https://www.rt.com/news/550637-brain-de ... h-mystery/
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Many Lives, Many Masters - Dr Brian Weiss - Audiobook

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I read this book while in med school after the book was lent to me by my behavioral science professor. This book has changed my life. I later had the privilege to meet Dr Weiss, he was like no human I have ever met.
I have given many copies of the book away and always have a few to lend out. On one occasion I gave the book to my boss, she stayed up all night reading the book because she could not put it down.
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Real Near Death Experience Stories: True Accounts of Those Who Died and Experienced Immortality

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Life-Changing Testimonies from
Unexpected Trips to Heaven!


What comes to mind when you think about Heaven? No matter what your perspective, the stories in this book will forever change your understanding of the afterlife. Each person included has a powerful testimony of a near-death experience where they unexpectedly visited Heaven.

As you read these firsthand accounts of life on the other side of the veil, you will receive:
- Strengthening of your faith
- Answers to questions about Heaven
- An impartation of hope
- Revelation of the Father’s love

Each of these life-changing encounters will leave you hungry to discover more of the God who is actively engaged in every moment of your life, both now and through all eternity!

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Near Death Experience I Hindu Man Dies & Faces Gate to Heaven & Hell - Ep. 28

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Santosh (Sandy) was raised as a practicing Hindu in India. His father was a high ranking priest in their religion. Then he emigrated to the Western world and became successful. A sudden trauma killed Sandy, and in the next moment he found himself before a strange God at the gates of Heaven. He could not enter through those gates but instead found himself on a platform above what Sandy calls "The Lake of Fire." What happens next may surprise you - it certainly surprised Sandy
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WHY MEDICAL SCIENTISTS TAKE NEAR-DEATH EXPERIENCES SERIOUSLY NOW

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https://mindmatters.ai/2019/11/why-medi ... ously-now/

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Today, we know much more about what happens to people when they die—and what we are learning does not support materialism

In a continuing discussion, Robert J. Marks and Walter Bradley, after whom the Walter Bradley Center for Natural and Artificial Intelligence is named, looked at near-death experiences (NDEs). Here’s the podcast: “Walter Bradley: Don’t go towards the light?”

Here are some excerpts, additional information on NDEs, and links:

Excerpts:

01:55 | Definition of a near-death experience


Walter Bradley (right): A near-death experience is a term that describes what today has become quite common in emergency rooms across the country as well as in highway accidents and so forth in which a person has a complete loss of heartbeat and brainwaves… And if they are resuscitated, what can they tell us about that intervening period where they were so-called clinically dead and yet, in many cases, they have remarkable experiences during that interval of time? So it’s called a near-death experience in that it wasn’t permanent.

But at least in the time period that we are interested in, they were clinically dead in the sense that their physical body was medically dead. But it didn’t mean that they ceased to exist. So I think that some of the most interesting empirical data that’s been accumulating over the past thirty to forty years about this mind-body question has come through these so-called near-death experiences, which provide what I think of as remarkable evidence for what happens after we die—as told to us by people who actually did die and were subsequently resuscitated—and come back with these amazing stories.

Note: In the past, near-death experiences, including insights gained while clinically dead, could be dismissed as wishful or fearful thinking. But today the evidence, wherever it points, is taken seriously. For one thing, no one has succeeded in explaining these experiences away. Last fall, a psychologist admitted as much in a major psychology publication:

“NDEs have never been satisfactorily explained in neurobiological terms. Various theories have been suggested, such as hallucinations caused by a lack of oxygen to the brain, undetected brain activity during the period when the brain appears not to be functioning, the release of endorphins, a psychological ‘depersonalisation’ in response to intense stress, and so on. All of these theories have been found to be problematic.”

STEVE TAYLOR, “NEAR-DEATH EXPERIENCES AND DMT” AT PSYCHOLOGY TODAY (OCTOBER 12, 2018)
03:36 | Near-death experiences and the mind/body problem


Robert J. Marks (left): You mentioned briefly the impact of near-death experiences in terms of the debate on the mind-body problem. Could you elaborate a little bit on that? What is the mind-body problem and the difference between dualism [the mind inhabits the brain] and monism [the mind is merely what the brain does] and what near-death experiences tell us about that?

Walter Bradley: I think one of the challenges until recently, in the last thirty or forty years, it was a question that was only answered in a philosophical way because there was no way to go and find out what happens to people when they die because when they died, we didn’t ever have any communication with them subsequently. So there was no way to get what I would consider to be first-hand information.

But because of advancing medical technology today, it’s become much more common for people to experience a physical death (no heartbeat, no brainwaves) and then be shocked or whatever and resuscitated and come back to consciousness. And what’s been interesting and in many ways remarkable is that these people come back with amazing stories. And it’s very clear that they’re not making this up. We know during the time period that they were clinically dead what was going on in the operating room. But these people can tell you because their spirit hovers over, in any cases, the activities going on in the emergency room, they can see what the doctors are doing, they can see themselves on the operating table.

05:20 | A blind woman sees

Maybe the most interesting story that I’ve read about is the young lady who was born blind. She’s 21 years old she’s never ever had vision. She’s in a car accident she’s not the driver; she is a passenger. She is rushed to the emergency room and she finds herself in the emergency room hovering over this group of doctors and nurses frantically working on this young lady, obviously somebody who was dead and they were trying to shock her and do other things to bring her back to life. She didn’t immediately recognize that that young lady was her.

Robert J. Marks: Now, just to emphasize, she has been blind since birth, has never seen anything.

Walter Bradley: She has never seen anything and in particular, she has never seen herself. So she doesn’t immediately … she’s conscious, she sees what’s going on, she says, “I felt more alive than I’ve ever felt and she said, I see this young girl they’re working on, this 21-year-old lady, frantically trying to bring her back to life and it took her a few minutes to figure out, “That’s me”…

And when she was resuscitated successfully, she talked to the doctors and she was able to share with them and they were very sceptical about her story but she reminded them, “I’m a blind person and I can tell you everything that went on in the operating room. Dr. So-and-So was using bad language Dr. Other So-and-So didn’t have his covers on his shoes. She could report all of these remarkable things even though Even if she had only been unconscious, she still couldn’t have reported all the things she saw, because she’s blind. There are many, many stories like this.


Here is a partial recounting of Vicki Umipeg’s experience (2010):


07:50 | Common threads in accounts of near-death experiences

Robert J. Marks: I think it’s important to talk about the general consensus, the common denominator of people who have experienced near-death experiences and what we see from case to case about these near-death experiences and their witnessing about it afterwards:

Walter Bradley: Yes, I think it’s important to try to find out what are the common threads and what are things that may be unique to each person’s own experience. And it turns out that there are at least 3500 carefully documented cases… and these people can give you a very detailed account of what went on in the operating room.

08:48 | An indescribable experience

Robert J. Marks: One of the common things I’ve read about was that the experience was indescribable, that they have no language, they have no experience that they can draw upon, which allowed them to relate what happened during the near-death experience.

Walter Bradley: Let me divide their experience into two parts: I think what happens in the operating room is very, very crucial because you can validate it. If this person can tell you everything that went on, something they couldn’t know in a worldview where they had only a physical body, there’s no way. On the other hand, if we have a body that is a dwelling-place for our soul or spirit, they can separate at the time of death, they could tell you everything that went on in the operating room. So I say that what went on in the operating room is crucial for validating that data at all.

At the same time, many of these people—not always but most often—they report, during that period of time, it may be ten, fifteen minutes where they’re clinically dead, their spirit can not only observe what goes on in the operating room, it can take a journey. It goes out of the hospital, it can go through the walls; it’s a spirit; it’s not a physical body. It can go down a tunnel where there is a light at the end of the tunnel and it’s basically that they are getting what I would call a visit to the front porch of heaven. And they are having this opportunity to see things that are almost indescribable because we don’t have words to describe things that don’t exist here. Many, many people come back having had this experience not only of what happened in the hospital emergency room but also what happened when they took this journey.

Note: The two best-established outcomes of near-death experiences are

● a greater focus on relationships and spirituality (“In this study, we examined spiritual well-being, using Paloutzian and Ellison’s Spiritual Well-Being Scale, among 224 persons who had come close to death. Participants who reported having near-death experiences reported greater spiritual well-being than those who did not, and depth of spiritual well-being was positively correlated with depth of near-death experience.” – Surbhi Khanna and Bruce Greyson, Journal of Religion and Health, 2014)

● a reduced fear of death. (“Perhaps the most common after-effect of an NDE is the loss of the fear of death and a strengthened belief in the afterlife.” (Psychology Today, March 12, 2015)”)

In a nutshell, today NDEs are seen as real, however one wants to account for them. For example, even “arch-skeptic” Susan Blackmore has disparaged “the false and unhelpful black and white comparison between NDEs as “true, wonderful, spiritual etc. etc.” [versus] NDEs as “JUST a hallucination of no importance.” The truth, it seems to me, is that NDEs can be wonderful, life-changing experiences that shed light on the human condition and on questions of life and death.” (The Atlantic, 2015). Similarly, Michael Shermer, who believes that the experiences are mere hallucinations of a dying brain, said in a 2018 book that “A scientific understanding of NDEs… is not meant to take away from the power of the experience as seemingly real, as emotionally salient, or as transforming and life-changing.”

Similarities of experience and significant changes in outlook do not establish the cause of near-death experiences. But, whereas at one time many discussions focused on efforts to explain NDEs away, today they turn on how and why they happen.

There are no simple answers to that question just now. For one thing, human consciousness itself is among the least well-understood areas in research. Scientifically acceptable opinion ranges from the position that the universe itself is conscious (panpsychism) right through to “consciousness is an illusion.” Some even argue that consciousness is a material thing.

Traditional views, like interactive dualism (the mind inhabits the brain but is not simply a product of it), are making a cautious comeback, partly because other views seem so unpromising but also because much evidence seems to support the traditional views.

Further reading:

An earlier podcast with Walter Bradley addressed mind vs. matter generally: Your body is a piano your mind plays—well or badly: The piano expresses the pianist’s thoughts, not its own. Dr. Bradley also spoke about how near-death experiences are creating a challenge for skeptics of the reality of the mind.

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Why some scientists believe the universe is conscious
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kmaherali wrote: Wed Jul 27, 2022 5:56 am Podcast at:

https://mindmatters.ai/2019/11/why-medi ... ously-now/

There are no simple answers to that question just now. For one thing, human consciousness itself is among the least well-understood areas in research. Scientifically acceptable opinion ranges from the position that the universe itself is conscious (panpsychism) right through to “consciousness is an illusion.” Some even argue that consciousness is a material thing.

Traditional views, like interactive dualism (the mind inhabits the brain but is not simply a product of it), are making a cautious comeback, partly because other views seem so unpromising but also because much evidence seems to support the traditional views.

Why some scientists believe the universe is conscious
Universe is made up of matter and matter is brainless. How come matter be called conscious? If you kick a stone it won't cry or attack you.
All human beings are created by God be a Hindu. Muslim, Jew, Christian, Bhudist, Atheist, or belong to any religion. The laws of nature apply on humans equally. If NDE is a law of nature then it should be applicable to all, but 99.99% of humans never claim the experience of NDE. I have seen many cases in community and hospitals, even in my relatives the persons were in coma for a month or two, woke up and never talk of NDE.
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swamidada wrote: Wed Jul 27, 2022 10:00 pm Universe is made up of matter and matter is brainless. How come matter be called conscious? If you kick a stone it won't cry or attack you.
All human beings are created by God be a Hindu. Muslim, Jew, Christian, Bhudist, Atheist, or belong to any religion. The laws of nature apply on humans equally. If NDE is a law of nature then it should be applicable to all, but 99.99% of humans never claim the experience of NDE. I have seen many cases in community and hospitals, even in my relatives the persons were in coma for a month or two, woke up and never talk of NDE.
Modern quantum science has proven that there is no distinction between the material and the spiritual. At the fundamental particle level there is no existence of material substance. Instead we have fields of energy or light. The universe out there is not objective independent of ourselves. It is a subjective experience. It is our perception and hence there is a direct connection between mind and matter. The laws of nature does not apply equally to all human beings. Hence some souls are elevated and have experiences of LIGHT, some souls are chosen to become prophets etc. We are not equal, Not everyone experiences NDE's.
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kmaherali wrote: Thu Jul 28, 2022 7:26 am
swamidada wrote: Wed Jul 27, 2022 10:00 pm Universe is made up of matter and matter is brainless. How come matter be called conscious? If you kick a stone it won't cry or attack you.
All human beings are created by God be a Hindu. Muslim, Jew, Christian, Bhudist, Atheist, or belong to any religion. The laws of nature apply on humans equally. If NDE is a law of nature then it should be applicable to all, but 99.99% of humans never claim the experience of NDE. I have seen many cases in community and hospitals, even in my relatives the persons were in coma for a month or two, woke up and never talk of NDE.
Modern quantum science has proven that there is no distinction between the material and the spiritual. At the fundamental particle level there is no existence of material substance. Instead we have fields of energy or light. The universe out there is not objective independent of ourselves. It is a subjective experience. It is our perception and hence there is a direct connection between mind and matter. The laws of nature does not apply equally to all human beings. Hence some souls are elevated and have experiences of LIGHT, some souls are chosen to become prophets etc. We are not equal, Not everyone experiences NDE's.
You wrote, "there is a direct connection between mind and matter". In my opinion matter is mindless. If matter had mind then all stones may have been University graduates.
Also you mentioned," laws of nature does not apply equally to all human beings". Again in my opinion laws of nature do apply equally, for example;
Don't tell lie, applies equally.
Don't cheat, applies equally.
Be honest, applies equally.
Help others, applies equally, and so on.
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In eastern countries there is not much talk about NDE, but in western countries past few years it is mostly talked about. Mostly all NDE claimants claim same stories or scripts. For example; I was on death bed. Doctors said I am not going to survive. I was in coma. I saw a light which dragged me in a tunnel. At the end of tunnel, I saw a light man. He said mistaken identity. Go back. Then I woke up from coma experiencing NDE. Some one said, at the end of tunnel I saw a beautiful woman. I wanted to go with her. She refused. I insisted and she kicked my butttts. I fell back on my hospital bed. The woman looked like judo karate master. Jittey di khoti uthee aan khalotti.
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swamidada wrote: Thu Jul 28, 2022 9:30 pm You wrote, "there is a direct connection between mind and matter". In my opinion matter is mindless. If matter had mind then all stones may have been University graduates.
Quote from the Memoirs of MSMS: Islamic doctrine goes further than the other great religions, for it proclaims the presence of the soul, perhaps minute but nevertheless existing in an embryonic state, in all existence in matter, in animals, trees, and space itself.Every individual, every molecule, every atom has its own spiritual relationship with the All-Powerful Soul of God. But men and women, being more highly developed, are immensely more advanced than the infinite number of other beings known to us.
swamidada wrote: Thu Jul 28, 2022 9:30 pm Also you mentioned," laws of nature does not apply equally to all human beings". Again in my opinion laws of nature do apply equally, for example;
Don't tell lie, applies equally.
Don't cheat, applies equally.
Be honest, applies equally.
Help others, applies equally, and so on.
All man are not born with the same capacity. Quote from the Memoirs: Roumi and Hafiz, the great Persian poets, have told us, each in his different way, that some men are born with such natural spiritual capacities and possibilities of development that they have direct experience of that great love, that all-embracing, all-consuming love, which direct contact with reality gives to the human soil. Hafiz indeed has said that men like Jesus Christ and Muslim mystics like Mansour and Bayezid and others have possessed that spiritual power of the greater love; that any of us, if the Holy Spirit (*) ever present grants us that enlightenment, can, being thus blessed, have the power which Christ had, but that to the overwhelming majority of men this greater love is not a practical possibility.
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kmaherali wrote: Fri Jul 29, 2022 3:03 pm
swamidada wrote: Thu Jul 28, 2022 9:30 pm You wrote, "there is a direct connection between mind and matter". In my opinion matter is mindless. If matter had mind then all stones may have been University graduates.
Quote from the Memoirs of MSMS: Islamic doctrine goes further than the other great religions, for it proclaims the presence of the soul, perhaps minute but nevertheless existing in an embryonic state, in all existence in matter, in animals, trees, and space itself.Every individual, every molecule, every atom has its own spiritual relationship with the All-Powerful Soul of God. But men and women, being more highly developed, are immensely more advanced than the infinite number of other beings known to us.
The discussion is about NDE and not SOUL. Every particle in universe has soul but not necessary Intellect. Soul and Intellect are two different things. Stone has soul but no intellect.
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kmaherali wrote: Fri Jul 29, 2022 3:03 pm
swamidada wrote: Thu Jul 28, 2022 9:30 pm Also you mentioned," laws of nature does not apply equally to all human beings". Again in my opinion laws of nature do apply equally, for example;
Don't tell lie, applies equally.
Don't cheat, applies equally.
Be honest, applies equally.
Help others, applies equally, and so on.
All man are not born with the same capacity. Quote from the Memoirs: Roumi and Hafiz, the great Persian poets, have told us, each in his different way, that some men are born with such natural spiritual capacities and possibilities of development that they have direct experience of that great love, that all-embracing, all-consuming love, which direct contact with reality gives to the human soil. Hafiz indeed has said that men like Jesus Christ and Muslim mystics like Mansour and Bayezid and others have possessed that spiritual power of the greater love; that any of us, if the Holy Spirit (*) ever present grants us that enlightenment, can, being thus blessed, have the power which Christ had, but that to the overwhelming majority of men this greater love is not a practical possibility.
What enlightenment and love has to do with NDE. Did Bayazid and Mansur ever mentioned NDE? Spiritual power is some thing different. With spiritual power Mansur and Bayazid through tunnel, should have crossed the border and jumped in different world in very first attempt. In my opinion NDE is invention of subconsciousness.
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swamidada wrote: Fri Jul 29, 2022 10:06 pm The discussion is about NDE and not SOUL. Every particle in universe has soul but not necessary Intellect. Soul and Intellect are two different things. Stone has soul but no intellect.
NDE and soul are very much connected. NDEs prove that the soul survives the body. NDEs are the soul experiences - out of body. The soul in non-human existences do not have intellect, nevertheless they are alive. In the Ginan: Putlaa, it is mentioned that Pir Satgur Nur caused the stone idols to dance!
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swamidada wrote: Fri Jul 29, 2022 10:21 pm What enlightenment and love has to do with NDE. Did Bayazid and Mansur ever mentioned NDE? Spiritual power is some thing different. With spiritual power Mansur and Bayazid through tunnel, should have crossed the border and jumped in different world in very first attempt. In my opinion NDE is invention of subconsciousness.
It has everything to do with it. Spiritual enlightenment are out of body experiences just as NDEs are out of body experiences. Just as not everybody is given spiritual enlightenment, not everyone is given NDEs. Only some experience them.
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kmaherali wrote: Sat Jul 30, 2022 5:58 am
swamidada wrote: Fri Jul 29, 2022 10:06 pm The discussion is about NDE and not SOUL. Every particle in universe has soul but not necessary Intellect. Soul and Intellect are two different things. Stone has soul but no intellect.
NDE and soul are very much connected. NDEs prove that the soul survives the body. NDEs are the soul experiences - out of body. The soul in non-human existences do not have intellect, nevertheless they are alive. In the Ginan: Putlaa, it is mentioned that Pir Satgur Nur caused the stone idols to dance!
I came across a person describing his near death experience, saying I almost died, travelled through tunnel, at the end of tunnel heard some one saying loudly 'go back', the call was for for Jose Acosta, but you are Jose Queirvo and suddenly I woke up still in my pajama. Actually the man was drunk when he narrated the story. NDE is a kind of HALLUCINATION, A KIND OF MENTAL DISORDER. By the way, now a days you can make ROBOTS dance.
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kmaherali wrote: Sat Jul 30, 2022 6:03 am
swamidada wrote: Fri Jul 29, 2022 10:21 pm What enlightenment and love has to do with NDE. Did Bayazid and Mansur ever mentioned NDE? Spiritual power is some thing different. With spiritual power Mansur and Bayazid through tunnel, should have crossed the border and jumped in different world in very first attempt. In my opinion NDE is invention of subconsciousness.
It has everything to do with it. Spiritual enlightenment are out of body experiences just as NDEs are out of body experiences. Just as not everybody is given spiritual enlightenment, not everyone is given NDEs. Only some experience them.
In Chand Raat Farman MSMS said, 'MIRREY JO HUQ SARKHO'. Why some are chosen for NDE and others are neglected? Is it a kind of choose and pick?
Mirza Ghalib said;
WOH HAIN KHWAAB MEIN HANUZ
JO JAAGEY HAIN KHWAAB MEIN
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swamidada wrote: Sat Jul 30, 2022 9:33 pm Actually the man was drunk when he narrated the story. NDE is a kind of HALLUCINATION, A KIND OF MENTAL DISORDER. By the way, now a days you can make ROBOTS dance.
Evidence for NDEs is compelling! It would be very unwise to ignore them. There were no robots or AI during the time of Pir Satgur Nur!
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swamidada wrote: Sat Jul 30, 2022 9:49 pm In Chand Raat Farman MSMS said, 'MIRREY JO HUQ SARKHO'. Why some are chosen for NDE and others are neglected? Is it a kind of choose and pick?
Mirza Ghalib said;
WOH HAIN KHWAAB MEIN HANUZ
JO JAAGEY HAIN KHWAAB MEIN
It is like asking: Why only Prophet Muhammad was chosen and not everyone!
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kmaherali wrote: Sun Jul 31, 2022 8:08 am
swamidada wrote: Sat Jul 30, 2022 9:49 pm In Chand Raat Farman MSMS said, 'MIRREY JO HUQ SARKHO'. Why some are chosen for NDE and others are neglected? Is it a kind of choose and pick?
Mirza Ghalib said;
WOH HAIN KHWAAB MEIN HANUZ
JO JAAGEY HAIN KHWAAB MEIN
It is like asking: Why only Prophet Muhammad was chosen and not everyone!
Prophets and Imams are chosen ones. In Dua we recite Muhammad Mustafa and Ali Murtaza. Did Prophet or Imam talked about their experiences of NDE? I am writing about common man and not con man. NDE is a recent phenomenon. It was not common 100 years back.
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