Authority & Nur (light), of Imam in Quran & Farmans

[kmaherali]

According to Quran and Bible, Adam was created by He Who is above all else. Adam was fatherless.

There is a difference between Prophet Adam and the symbolic first man created Adam. Do you believe first man was created some 6000 years ago? There is more discussion on this at: viewtopic.php?t=40&start=30

[Admin]

According to Quran and Bible, Adam was created by He Who is above all else. Adam was fatherless.

He may or not have been fatherless however depending on which of the lakh crore Adam you are talking but for sure he was created by God the Creator, not by He Who Is Above All Else. Those who understand do understand. For the others there is a long way to go.

[swamidada786]

According to Quran and Bible, Adam was created by He Who is above all else. Adam was fatherless.

There is a difference between Prophet Adam and the symbolic first man created Adam. Do you believe first man was created some 6000 years ago? There is more discussion on this at: viewtopic.php?t=40&start=30

I do not believe in # 6000, but the very first Adam (call him first or last) is creation of Allah.

[swamidada786]

According to Quran and Bible, Adam was created by He Who is above all else. Adam was fatherless.

He may or not have been fatherless however depending on which of the lakh crore Adam you are talking but for sure he was created by God the Creator, not by He Who Is Above All Else. Those who understand do understand. For the others there is a long way to go.

He Who is above all else is ALLAH, the creator.

[kmaherali]

I do not believe in # 6000, but the very first Adam (call him first or last) is creation of Allah.

He is not the first Adam! He is Hazarat Adam son of Sri Budh

[swamidada786]

I do not believe in # 6000, but the very first Adam (call him first or last) is creation of Allah.

He is not the first Adam! He is Hazarat Adam son of Sri Budh

So you are talking about last Adam of final cycle. Can you tell me , what was the father's name of Sri Budh?

[kmaherali]

So you are talking about last Adam of final cycle. Can you tell me , what was the father's name of Sri Budh?

According to the Vishanapuri viewtopic.php?p=3848#p3848 , given by Pir Sadardin in the Old Dua the name is VINVACHHRAAJ

[swamidada786]

So you are talking about last Adam of final cycle. Can you tell me , what was the father's name of Sri Budh?

According to the Vishanapuri viewtopic.php?p=3848#p3848 , given by Pir Sadardin in the Old Dua the name is VINVACHHRAAJ

Let me quote your old post on this topic, dated Nov 6, 2004.

Old post by Kmaherali:
kmaherali » Sat Nov 06, 2004 11:16 am

YAM,
Please note that the Vishanapuri that I posted earlier does not comprise the entire geneology of the Imams. It appears for practical reasons, only a few names have been included. This does not mean that the unlisted Imams are less important.

To illustrate the point, for Dua Pur Jug of 2400 years, only seven names have been mentioned. In comparison during the present era of Naklank Ali there have been 49 Imams over 1400 years.

Nevertheless the Vishanapuri serves to illustrate the continuity of Imamat since time immemorial.

Now my question, then who was Imam HUNYED???

[kmaherali]

Now my question, then who was Imam HUNYED???

Sri Budh

[Admin]

We historically have names adapted according to the area. For Example Muhammad Mustafa becomes in ginan Mamad Mawjee. Biblical names in Quran becomes Arabicized - Most of the name of prophets: Jesus become Issa.

Boudh Awatar in Middle East becomes Imam Honeyd

[kmaherali]

Also Budh Avtar is generic name or title of all Imams following Sri Budh. Just as Naklanki avtar is the title of Hazarat Ali and all Imams until Shah Rahim

[swamidada786]

We historically have names adapted according to the area. For Example Muhammad Mustafa becomes in ginan Mamad Mawjee. Biblical names in Quran becomes Arabicized - Most of the name of prophets: Jesus become Issa.

Boudh Awatar in Middle East becomes Imam Honeyd

Can you provide the complete Ginan or that particular couplet where Mamad Mawjee is used and by which Pir?

[swamidada786]

Also Budh Avtar is generic name or title of all Imams following Sri Budh. Just as Naklanki avtar is the title of Hazarat Ali and all Imams until Shah Rahim

You wrote; "Also Budh Avtar is generic name or title of all Imams following Sri Budh". Brand v/s Generic!!!
Can we call Shah Rahim as Sri Budh being generic name?

[kmaherali]

Can we call Shah Rahim as Sri Budh being generic name?

Imams after Hazarat Ali are Naklanki avtar as I stated.

[Admin]

Can you provide the complete Ginan or that particular couplet where Mamad Mawjee is used and by which Pir?

Author: Pir Sadardin Source: bhg5-036 - 600 Ginans published by: Recreation Club Institute, Bombay, Khoja Sindhi Printing Press, 1934 verses: 20
Eji Mahaamad Maavji aaviyaa;
nauve khandde kidhaa chhe jaann 1

Eji Dhol dhadhaamaa vaajiyaa;
vaajiyaa tanbal e nishaan 2

[swamidada786]

Can we call Shah Rahim as Sri Budh being generic name?

Imams after Hazarat Ali are Naklanki avtar as I stated.

Is Naklanki avtar one or 50+++++ till doomsday and in between no other avtar will be coming.
As you wrote," Imams after Ali are Naklanki avtars, same way after Sri Budh till Mowla Ali all Imams are called Sri Budh Imams!!!

[swamidada786]

Can you provide the complete Ginan or that particular couplet where Mamad Mawjee is used and by which Pir?

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Author: Pir Sadardin Source: bhg5-036 - 600 Ginans published by: Recreation Club Institute, Bombay, Khoja Sindhi Printing Press, 1934 verses: 20
Eji Mahaamad Maavji aaviyaa;
nauve khandde kidhaa chhe jaann 1

Eji Dhol dhadhaamaa vaajiyaa;
vaajiyaa tanbal e nishaan 2

Eji Paelaaj haiddaa maanhe harakhiyaa;
mukhaladde varse chhe kaany noor 3

Eji Jaan joddaavo dharmi Paelaaj;
utaaro Kal-jug vikhaddo paar 4

Eji Chaddi aave Taaraa raanni Harichandra;
chaddi aave kunvar Rohidaas 5

Eji Paanddav chaddere dhanmakaar sun;
janne chaddiyaa baarei kaany meg 6

Eji Chaddi aave Arjann, Bhimm ke;
chaddi aave Nakul, Sohdev 7

Eji Chaddi aave dharmi raajaa Jujesshtthann;
jaanne chaddiyaa baarei tiyaan meg 8

Eji Ansiyaa, Kuntaa Maataa Drupati;
chothi chadde Harichandra gharni naar 9

Eji Maataa Kuntaa no rath Rave chaddiyo;
bhami aaviyo aakaas e minjaar 10

Eji Raajaa Jujeshhtthann vinave;
kaho maataa evaddi senne laagi vaar 11

Eji Am-thi Naaraayaann risaamnnaa;
manaavantaa laagi chhe evaddi vaar 12

Eji Maher karo moraa naath-ji;
utaaro Kal-jug vikhaddo paar 13

Eji Kirtaa jugnaa rikhisar;
juve chhe Ttretaa jugni vaatt 14

Eji Tretaa jugnaa rikhisar;
juve chhe Dwaapur jugni vaatt 15

Eji Dwaapur jugnaa rikhisara;
juve chhe Kal-jug ni vaatt 16

Eji Chaare chaare jugnaa rikhisar;
ubhaa chhe saaheb-ne darbaar 17

Eji Kal-jugnaa rikhisar aagal thaayse;
taare paamse mokhsh mugat didaar 18

Eji Sarve jug thi baddaa Kal-jug;
temaa aaviyaa Mahaamad muraar 19

Eji Pir Sadardin boliyaa;
saami raajaa rikhisarne paar utaaro

[kmaherali]

Is Naklanki avtar one or 50+++++ till doomsday and in between no other avtar will be coming.
As you wrote," Imams after Ali are Naklanki avtars, same way after Sri Budh till Mowla Ali all Imams are called Sri Budh Imams!!!

All Imams after Hazarat Ali are considered Naklanki avtar until the end of time.