Authority & Nur (light), of Imam in Quran & Farmans

[kmaherali]

According to Quran and Bible, Adam was created by He Who is above all else. Adam was fatherless.

There is a difference between Prophet Adam and the symbolic first man created Adam. Do you believe first man was created some 6000 years ago? There is more discussion on this at: viewtopic.php?t=40&start=30

[Admin]

According to Quran and Bible, Adam was created by He Who is above all else. Adam was fatherless.

He may or not have been fatherless however depending on which of the lakh crore Adam you are talking but for sure he was created by God the Creator, not by He Who Is Above All Else. Those who understand do understand. For the others there is a long way to go.

[swamidada786]

According to Quran and Bible, Adam was created by He Who is above all else. Adam was fatherless.

There is a difference between Prophet Adam and the symbolic first man created Adam. Do you believe first man was created some 6000 years ago? There is more discussion on this at: viewtopic.php?t=40&start=30

I do not believe in # 6000, but the very first Adam (call him first or last) is creation of Allah.

[swamidada786]

According to Quran and Bible, Adam was created by He Who is above all else. Adam was fatherless.

He may or not have been fatherless however depending on which of the lakh crore Adam you are talking but for sure he was created by God the Creator, not by He Who Is Above All Else. Those who understand do understand. For the others there is a long way to go.

He Who is above all else is ALLAH, the creator.

[kmaherali]

I do not believe in # 6000, but the very first Adam (call him first or last) is creation of Allah.

He is not the first Adam! He is Hazarat Adam son of Sri Budh

[swamidada786]

I do not believe in # 6000, but the very first Adam (call him first or last) is creation of Allah.

He is not the first Adam! He is Hazarat Adam son of Sri Budh

So you are talking about last Adam of final cycle. Can you tell me , what was the father's name of Sri Budh?

[kmaherali]

So you are talking about last Adam of final cycle. Can you tell me , what was the father's name of Sri Budh?

According to the Vishanapuri viewtopic.php?p=3848#p3848 , given by Pir Sadardin in the Old Dua the name is VINVACHHRAAJ

[swamidada786]

So you are talking about last Adam of final cycle. Can you tell me , what was the father's name of Sri Budh?

According to the Vishanapuri viewtopic.php?p=3848#p3848 , given by Pir Sadardin in the Old Dua the name is VINVACHHRAAJ

Let me quote your old post on this topic, dated Nov 6, 2004.

Old post by Kmaherali:
kmaherali » Sat Nov 06, 2004 11:16 am

YAM,
Please note that the Vishanapuri that I posted earlier does not comprise the entire geneology of the Imams. It appears for practical reasons, only a few names have been included. This does not mean that the unlisted Imams are less important.

To illustrate the point, for Dua Pur Jug of 2400 years, only seven names have been mentioned. In comparison during the present era of Naklank Ali there have been 49 Imams over 1400 years.

Nevertheless the Vishanapuri serves to illustrate the continuity of Imamat since time immemorial.

Now my question, then who was Imam HUNYED???

[kmaherali]

Now my question, then who was Imam HUNYED???

Sri Budh

[Admin]

We historically have names adapted according to the area. For Example Muhammad Mustafa becomes in ginan Mamad Mawjee. Biblical names in Quran becomes Arabicized - Most of the name of prophets: Jesus become Issa.

Boudh Awatar in Middle East becomes Imam Honeyd

[kmaherali]

Also Budh Avtar is generic name or title of all Imams following Sri Budh. Just as Naklanki avtar is the title of Hazarat Ali and all Imams until Shah Rahim

[swamidada786]

We historically have names adapted according to the area. For Example Muhammad Mustafa becomes in ginan Mamad Mawjee. Biblical names in Quran becomes Arabicized - Most of the name of prophets: Jesus become Issa.

Boudh Awatar in Middle East becomes Imam Honeyd

Can you provide the complete Ginan or that particular couplet where Mamad Mawjee is used and by which Pir?

[swamidada786]

Also Budh Avtar is generic name or title of all Imams following Sri Budh. Just as Naklanki avtar is the title of Hazarat Ali and all Imams until Shah Rahim

You wrote; "Also Budh Avtar is generic name or title of all Imams following Sri Budh". Brand v/s Generic!!!
Can we call Shah Rahim as Sri Budh being generic name?

[kmaherali]

Can we call Shah Rahim as Sri Budh being generic name?

Imams after Hazarat Ali are Naklanki avtar as I stated.

[Admin]

Can you provide the complete Ginan or that particular couplet where Mamad Mawjee is used and by which Pir?

Author: Pir Sadardin Source: bhg5-036 - 600 Ginans published by: Recreation Club Institute, Bombay, Khoja Sindhi Printing Press, 1934 verses: 20
Eji Mahaamad Maavji aaviyaa;
nauve khandde kidhaa chhe jaann 1

Eji Dhol dhadhaamaa vaajiyaa;
vaajiyaa tanbal e nishaan 2

[swamidada786]

Can we call Shah Rahim as Sri Budh being generic name?

Imams after Hazarat Ali are Naklanki avtar as I stated.

Is Naklanki avtar one or 50+++++ till doomsday and in between no other avtar will be coming.
As you wrote," Imams after Ali are Naklanki avtars, same way after Sri Budh till Mowla Ali all Imams are called Sri Budh Imams!!!

[swamidada786]

Can you provide the complete Ginan or that particular couplet where Mamad Mawjee is used and by which Pir?

Just install on Android our APP on ginans, it will be easy to search
Author: Pir Sadardin Source: bhg5-036 - 600 Ginans published by: Recreation Club Institute, Bombay, Khoja Sindhi Printing Press, 1934 verses: 20
Eji Mahaamad Maavji aaviyaa;
nauve khandde kidhaa chhe jaann 1

Eji Dhol dhadhaamaa vaajiyaa;
vaajiyaa tanbal e nishaan 2

Eji Paelaaj haiddaa maanhe harakhiyaa;
mukhaladde varse chhe kaany noor 3

Eji Jaan joddaavo dharmi Paelaaj;
utaaro Kal-jug vikhaddo paar 4

Eji Chaddi aave Taaraa raanni Harichandra;
chaddi aave kunvar Rohidaas 5

Eji Paanddav chaddere dhanmakaar sun;
janne chaddiyaa baarei kaany meg 6

Eji Chaddi aave Arjann, Bhimm ke;
chaddi aave Nakul, Sohdev 7

Eji Chaddi aave dharmi raajaa Jujesshtthann;
jaanne chaddiyaa baarei tiyaan meg 8

Eji Ansiyaa, Kuntaa Maataa Drupati;
chothi chadde Harichandra gharni naar 9

Eji Maataa Kuntaa no rath Rave chaddiyo;
bhami aaviyo aakaas e minjaar 10

Eji Raajaa Jujeshhtthann vinave;
kaho maataa evaddi senne laagi vaar 11

Eji Am-thi Naaraayaann risaamnnaa;
manaavantaa laagi chhe evaddi vaar 12

Eji Maher karo moraa naath-ji;
utaaro Kal-jug vikhaddo paar 13

Eji Kirtaa jugnaa rikhisar;
juve chhe Ttretaa jugni vaatt 14

Eji Tretaa jugnaa rikhisar;
juve chhe Dwaapur jugni vaatt 15

Eji Dwaapur jugnaa rikhisara;
juve chhe Kal-jug ni vaatt 16

Eji Chaare chaare jugnaa rikhisar;
ubhaa chhe saaheb-ne darbaar 17

Eji Kal-jugnaa rikhisar aagal thaayse;
taare paamse mokhsh mugat didaar 18

Eji Sarve jug thi baddaa Kal-jug;
temaa aaviyaa Mahaamad muraar 19

Eji Pir Sadardin boliyaa;
saami raajaa rikhisarne paar utaaro

[kmaherali]

Is Naklanki avtar one or 50+++++ till doomsday and in between no other avtar will be coming.
As you wrote," Imams after Ali are Naklanki avtars, same way after Sri Budh till Mowla Ali all Imams are called Sri Budh Imams!!!

All Imams after Hazarat Ali are considered Naklanki avtar until the end of time.

[swamidada786]

Just install on Android our APP on ginans, it will be easy to search
Author: Pir Sadardin Source: bhg5-036 - 600 Ginans published by: Recreation Club Institute, Bombay, Khoja Sindhi Printing Press, 1934 verses: 20
Eji Mahaamad Maavji aaviyaa;
nauve khandde kidhaa chhe jaann 1

Thanks for quoting above Ginan. Can you provide meaning of MAAVJI, MURAAR, CHADDI.

[Admin]

This is not the proper thread to discuss ginans.

[swamidada786]

Is Naklanki avtar one or 50+++++ till doomsday and in between no other avtar will be coming.
As you wrote," Imams after Ali are Naklanki avtars, same way after Sri Budh till Mowla Ali all Imams are called Sri Budh Imams!!!

All Imams after Hazarat Ali are considered Naklanki avtar until the end of time.

Shah Karim Al Hussaini never claimed to be Naklanki avtar.

[swamidada786]

This is not the proper thread to discuss ginans.

When you quoted whole Ginan, why not meaning of 3 words or guide me in which Ginanc thread shall I ask for meaning?

[kmaherali]

Shah Karim Al Hussaini never claimed to be Naklanki avtar.

In the concept and theory of Das Avtars all Imams after Hazarat Aly are considered Naklanki. For example during the time of Pir Hasan Kabirdeen the Imam was Sri Islam Shah:

Aashaajee Kal maanhe paatr Naklankee aavyaa
Nar avtaar Illaahee jee
sohee avtaar Ali malechh-maa bettha
jaanno Sree Islam Shah..................Haree anant..433

Oh Lord In the present era the Pure and Perfect Manifestation
has come
He is the Divine manifestation of the Lord
This Ali, the Manifestation is residing in a country
where the majority are the meat eaters(in contrast to Hindu
dominated Sub continent where the verses were composed)
Know Him as Sree Islam Shah
Haree You are eternal...

[ashraf59]

Meanings of MAAVJI, MURAR, CHADDI

The meanings of the above three words are as follows. All three words have been used for Lord Shri Krishna, understood as an Imam / spiritual guide in devotional and pir traditions.


1. Chaddi

The phrase “Chaddi aave” roughly translates to “coming up,” “ascending,” or “rising.” It is often used in a spiritual sense, referring to a family or soul approaching a place of sacrifice, or moving toward ultimate spiritual liberation after enduring immense earthly suffering.

Example: Raja Harishchandra
• Raja Harishchandra: Known as the king who never told a lie and gave up his entire kingdom, wealth, and family to fulfill a promise and uphold truth (Satya).
• Taaraa Raani: His wife, who stood by him through the most grueling conditions, including working as a servant.
• Kunvar Rohidas: Their young son, whose tragic death served as the final and greatest test of the king’s commitment to Dharma (truth).

In this context, Chaddi symbolizes the final ascent after total sacrifice.


2. Murar (Murari)
• “Mura” – a powerful demon (asura)
• “Ari” – enemy or slayer

Murari (commonly spoken as Murar) is a well-known epithet of Lord Krishna.

Meaning

“The Slayer of Mura.”

According to Hindu mythology, Krishna defeated the demon Mura, who was a general in Narakasura’s army.

Spiritually, Murari also signifies the destroyer of evil, ignorance, and inner darkness.



3. Maavji / Mawaji

Maavji (or Mawaji) is used as a devotional name for Madhav, Shri Krishna.

This word has been used by pirs to express deep devotion, affection, and love toward the Imam.

In many devotional and mystical traditions, Maavji represents Krishna as:
• A divine beloved
• A spiritual guide
• An Imam who leads through love and devotion rather than formal boundaries


Summary

In short, all three words — Chaddi, Murar, and Maavji — are used for Lord Shri Krishna, understood as an Imam and spiritual guide, each highlighting a different spiritual aspect:
• Chaddi – ascent through sacrifice and truth
• Murar – destroyer of evil and ignorance
• Maavji – beloved divine guide and Imam