Authority & Nur (light), of Imam in Quran & Farmans

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Re: Authority & Nur (light), of Imam in Quran & Farmans

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ashraf59 wrote: Mon Feb 16, 2026 2:57 pm I found many Gujarati and Hindi Bhajans in which the word‘NAKALANK’ has been used below are some Bhajans :-
BK 651 Nakalanki Bhajan sangrah
નકલંક નેજાધારી (નિષ્કલંક ભગવાન) ના ભજનોમાં પ્રભુની મહિમા, કળિયુગમાં ઉદ્ધાર અને ભક્તિનો મહિમા વર્ણવવામાં આવ્યો છે. એક લોકપ્રિય ભજન "નાથ નકલંક નેજાધારી" ના શબ્દો નીચે મુજબ છે:
ભજન:
1, નાથ નકલંક નેજાધારી
તમને વિનવું છું વારંવારી,
નાથ તમારી ગતિ ન્યારી,
નાથ નકલંક નેજાધારી,
અમને નવ જાતા વિસારી..... ટેક
—————————————2, નકલંક નામ તણી બલિહારી, ભાવે ભજન કરો નરનારી...
પ્રથમ યુગમાં પ્રહલાદ રાજા સિધ્યા,
સંગે એને રત્નાવલી એહ રાણી, નકલંક નામ...
બીજા યુગમાં હરિશ્ચંદ્ર રાજા સિધ્યા,
સંગે એને તારાંદે પટરાણી, નકલંક નામ...
ત્રીજા યુગમાં યુધિષ્ઠિર રાજા સિધ્યા,
સંગે એને દ્રૌપદી મહારાણી, નકલંક નામ...
ચોથા યુગમાં શેઠ સગાળશા સિધ્યા,
સંગે એને ચંગાવતી એહ રાણી, નકલંક નામ...
શીલદાસ વચન ગુરુજીના સાચા,
કરવી છે ભક્તિ ને પાંદડા છે કાચા, નકલંક નામ...
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3, અચ્છે શ'ખો હણ્યો, કચ્છે ડિય્ક સ'હાયો!; વારાહે હબિયો! મોર. ન્રસિ'હ હિરણાક'સ માયે. વાલેન ચાપ્યો અળી, ઝૂરે કર સહસ્ો કાપ્યો: રામે દશાનન હણ્યો કુખ્એે ક'સ ઉથાપ્યો, બયે દયોધન હષ્યો, (નકલ'ક અલી અલબેલો; પ્રગટ રૂપ સુલતાન પર વરતેજ થયો છે ધેલડો,)
પરવરી રહેલા કળીકાળમાં ઇવરના (દશમ નકલ'ક અવતારનુ* )ભજન એજ ભક્તોનું કર્તવ્ય છે
ક્ષાન ધ્યાન યોગ તપ શયમ નિયમ સમાધિ સાધના એ સનાતન ક્રિયા ધર્મ ગત ચુગામાં ખોક્ષદ્ાયી મનાયા છે ત્યારે છેલા કળિયુગમાં એ બધી સાધના કર્તા ભક્તિ શ્રેષ્ટ મનાઇ છે.
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દયા ડરીને દઃખડા યળો નકલંક
નાથ,
ભવ સાગરમાં અડતો રખી ઝાલો હાથ.
સને તારો અલી છે ભર્સો ભારોરે, ડરસો સ્હાચ ભવની માંય લેશો મુજને તારીરે. નકલંક, સાખો.
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નકલંક કલ'ક વગરનો દેખો અી તણ અવતાર,
કળીચુગમાં છે કહચાણ કર્તા દુનિયાનો દાતાર, ધન્ય, ધમ આઓધારણ મુજને ઉગારી તારી પાર ઉતાર,
જય જય નકલંક હરી હીરાના સ્વામી સરજણહાર* ધત્ય,
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નકલંક નમન કશે દસમું દરસત છે. મગ્ન મનમાં હશો તો પ્રેમથી પરશન છે; ભજન કરો સજન મારા એ ખદાનુ' નુર છે) છુપાવ્યો એ છુપતો નથી હાજરા હજર છે. અરૂષમાંથી રૂપ ધાશુ ભુપનો એ ભુપ છે, વેદ વાણી વરી રહા તેજન' સ્વરૂપ છે: ભક્તનો ભગવાન છે (ને) ડાળીગાનો ડાળ છે, પત્નીઓનો પતિ પ્યારો માવડીનો ખાળ છે. ભક્ત તણા કલ'ક કાપી નકલ'ક ડહેવાય છે, ફા ખધાં પુરાં કરી તેજમાં સમાય છે; “હાથ જોડી હીરો ડહે અલી મહારો ખાય છે, જ્ઞાન ધ્યાન ગાતી ગુણુ ગાવિ'દના ગાય
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ભાઇ નકલંક ગુરૂને નીરખો તમે ગરમ કરીને પરખ) ગમા અવસરે છે હરી ભજ્યાનો કોઇ મનના કમસો ભગ, સત ચરનો કરી લ્યો સંગ એતો જ્યાં જાઇએ ત્યા સરખો. ભાઇ# ધણા રીવસ ગાથા ખાતાં હરી આવ્યા છે હાથ, એતો ત્રિશુવનનો નાથ એને જોઇ જોઇ હઇએઅ હરખા. ભાઇ રૂદીયામો રટણુ કરી કરીને ધ્યાત ધણીનુ' ધરજા,
સત્યના શબ્દે સમરજો આ હેહી માહે દેદાર રખો, ભાઇ 1 ગગન મ'ડળના એખ માંહી ઝળોમળ ઝળકે જ્યોતી, 7 ત્યાં ઝરમર વરસે માતી એને નરતે સુરતે નોરખો, ભાઇ,
હાથ જોડીને હીરો ડહે છે નકલંક કને શિષ નામી, રાખો સુરતી વ્રવેણી સામી પછી ચાલુ થાશે ચરખા,
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ભજન (૧) પુનમ પ્રગટારે હા સુજન.એ રાગ. જેને નકલંક નામનોરે ર'ગ લાગ્યો તેને જન્મ મરણષુ ભય ભાગ્યો ડેક, જાડી આચારે સો જાણો જોઇહ્પો વેદ પુસ્તક પુરાણો. જેને નકલંક
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ભજન (૧૧) રાગ ગરખી.
ભાવે ભક્તિ કરો નકલંક નામનીરે, જેણે આાપ્યો મનુષ્યા અવતાર;
્યવસર ફરી આવો નહીં મળે રે એ ટેક,
કુડા કૅખ છોડી રીયો મનથીરે, .ડરવો નહિ કેષઇ પર્‌ ખાર અવસર, ભાંક્તને આધીન છે ભુદફોરે, ધણા દયાળુ એ છે દાતાર. અવસર, જીવે! કુટુ'મ કબીલો ને દીકરારે; તેને જાતાં નહીં લાગે વાર. અવસરે, ડર ભક્તિનો ભવદ્‌ખ ભાગસેરે નહીંતો ખાવાનો યમનો મારે, સ્યવસર, ભાયો નીતિનો મારગ ન્યાળતારે, નથી ખોડખાંપણ લગાર, અવસર, થશે ધાય ધણીના મનન રે, કરો ઉપાય આપણ જો હજાર. અવસર, ઉતમ સુતની અરજ સાંભળીરે, કરો વ્રિભાનો અલી
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Thanks for quoting above bhajan. Can you mention the name of qavi. Looks like it is authored by an Ismaili Satpunthi, may be Pir or a Syed. Look at the following stanzas;

નાથ નકલંક નેજાધારી
તમને વિનવું છું વારંવારી,
નાથ તમારી ગતિ ન્યારી,
નાથ નકલંક નેજાધારી,
અમને નવ જાતા વિસારી.
Nath, the one with the sword,
I beg you repeatedly,
Nath, your path is fair,
Nath, the one with the sword,
Forget about the nine paths that lead to us.

ભાયો નીતિનો મારગ ન્યાળતારે, નથી ખોડખાંપણ લગાર, અવસર, થશે ધાય ધણીના મનન રે, કરો ઉપાય આપણ જો હજાર. અવસર, ઉતમ સુતની અરજ સાંભળીરે, કરો વ્રિભાનો અલી
brother, guide the path of righteousness, there is no defect, opportunity, it will be a blessing to the Lord, do a thousand remedies. Opportunity, listen to the plea of ​​the best sleep, do the Ali of Vribha.

The starting line says; Nath the one with the sword....., and last line; Listen to the plea of the best sleep do th Ali of Vribha.
Also in this bhajan names of Prahlad, Raja Harish Chandra, Tara Rani, Yudhishthira, Rani Drupdi and so on are used which are mostly used in Ginans.
What is meaning of Vribha, thanks.
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Re: Authority & Nur (light), of Imam in Quran & Farmans

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kmaherali wrote: Mon Feb 16, 2026 4:09 am
swamidada786 wrote: Sun Feb 15, 2026 9:48 pm If every person becomes batitni scholar and start interprating in his/her own way influened by other isms definitely there should be chaos. Each person will start imposing his/her batiniyat on others, that's why in my previous post I wrote it is the prerogative of Imam to explain batiniyat.
Shah Karim has indicated to us that ours is a personal tradition, everyone who interprets the faith according to his understanding keeps it to himself and does not broadcast it to create chaos. If this person feels the need to share his insights he will quote Farmans/Ginans/ Qasidas as authoritative basis of his interpretation. Hence no chaos is possible!
swamidada786 wrote: Sun Feb 15, 2026 9:48 pm Before Preamble there were 4/5 different Tariqas practiced in our jamaits in different countries. For example in Central Asia they were following Nasir Khusraw teachings, in China Sunni Tariqa, in subcontinent and African countries Sat punthi Tariqa, Afghanistan mixed Nasir Khusraw and Sunni Tariqa, Syria Alvi Tariqa; hence Imam gave one Tariqa in the form of Preamble, now we are ONE JAMAIT in Ismaili Tariqa.
There is strength in diversity. Our Tariqah becomes richer with insights from each part of our Jamat. Mowlana Shah Karim said:
So what I am saying to my Jamat today is that, as years go by, in the years ahead, Insha-Allah, we will learn a great deal more about spiritual children from parts of the world with which we have had little or no contact, not only for decades but for centuries. And as they come forward, they will bring to us their traditions, their literature, their affection, their songs, their dress, their language, their practice, and this is what is so unique in our tariqah. The tariqah has evolved in different parts of the world, in different languages, in different societies; and whereas sometimes there is a sense in the Ummah and outside that diversity is a weakness, I assure you diversity is strength. It is strength. The more a tariqah such as ours benefits from the creativity, the wisdom, the knowledge of people from more and more parts of the world, the stronger is the tariqah, the greater are its resources, and this is a fundamental point to keep in mind. So if you find that in the decades ahead, I will be concerned for the future of the Jamat in countries such as Afghanistan, remember that it is because every time these contacts are established, its strengthens our Jamat; that is one of the principal concerns everyday of the Imam of the time."( NAIROBI, KENYA SUNDAY, 11TH DECEMBER, 1988)


In my post I wrote Tariqa, which means religious activities and not worldly litrature, songs, dancing, dresses, or languages. In Preamble Tenets of Ismailism are mentioned and explained by Hazar Imam, and are applicable to all Nizari Ismailis.

In my opinion, faith and the religious Tenets should be explained in a simple and clear manner so that no one should be confused. It is like 2+2= 4 and not 5. If some one want to prove 2+2= 5, then he has to use batini mathmatics. Religious Tenets and practices teach us uniformity and not diversity, we say Dua in a uniform manner and prostate all at same time. It is not allowed by Imam that one recite Dua in Gujrati, Sindhi, Kachhi, French, ot Italian. All Ismailis have to say Dua in Arabic, it is an example of uniformity.
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Re: Authority & Nur (light), of Imam in Quran & Farmans

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swamidada786 wrote: Mon Feb 16, 2026 10:26 pm In my post I wrote Tariqa, which means religious activities and not worldly litrature, songs, dancing, dresses, or languages. In Preamble Tenets of Ismailism are mentioned and explained by Hazar Imam, and are applicable to all Nizari Ismailis.
The preamble is a means of explaining our faith to others. Of course nobody is denying our fundamental tenets of our faith contained in it. However that is the tip of the iceberg. The Preamble states that the Talim of the Imam lights the path of the murid. Where do we find the Talim? It is in our diverse traditions.
swamidada786 wrote: Mon Feb 16, 2026 10:26 pm In my opinion, faith and the religious Tenets should be explained in a simple and clear manner so that no one should be confused. It is like 2+2= 4 and not 5. If some one want to prove 2+2= 5, then he has to use batini mathmatics. Religious Tenets and practices teach us uniformity and not diversity, we say Dua in a uniform manner and prostate all at same time. It is not allowed by Imam that one recite Dua in Gujrati, Sindhi, Kachhi, French, ot Italian. All Ismailis have to say Dua in Arabic, it is an example of uniformity.
Mathematics is not about 2+2 only. That is the beginning. We should not get stuck there only but need to go further to know calculus, algebra and so on.
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Thanks for quoting above bhajan. Can you mention the name of qavi. Looks like it is authored by an Ismaili Satpunthi, may be Pir or a Syed. Look at the following stanzas;.
The kavis of these bhajans (though I have not listed all of them) are as follows:
1. Dhiro Bhagat
2. Tribhovandas
3. Dhruv (last name not mentioned)
4. Devayat Pandit
5. Lirbai
6. Panbai
7. Mamdev
8. Sahdev
9. Ramdev Pir
10. Trikam
11. Pancho Makwana, also known as (urfe) Morar
12. Laxman
13. Jivan Mastar

These names are provided by Balwant Jani, who compiled these bhajans. In these bhajans, many ginanic words are found, including the word Nakalank, which is the term we are discussing.
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Re: Authority & Nur (light), of Imam in Quran & Farmans

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ashraf59 wrote: Tue Feb 17, 2026 10:55 am
Thanks for quoting above bhajan. Can you mention the name of qavi. Looks like it is authored by an Ismaili Satpunthi, may be Pir or a Syed. Look at the following stanzas;.
The kavis of these bhajans (though I have not listed all of them) are as follows:
1. Dhiro Bhagat
2. Tribhovandas
3. Dhruv (last name not mentioned)
4. Devayat Pandit
5. Lirbai
6. Panbai
7. Mamdev
8. Sahdev
9. Ramdev Pir
10. Trikam
11. Pancho Makwana, also known as (urfe) Morar
12. Laxman
13. Jivan Mastar

These names are provided by Balwant Jani, who compiled these bhajans. In these bhajans, many ginanic words are found, including the word Nakalank, which is the term we are discussing.
The names of qavis which you mentioned; were these Sat Punthis? I am familiar with some names which I read here and there like; Dheru Bhagat, Mamdev, Sachdev, Ramdeve, Trikam, Jivan master. If they were Sat Punthis then sure they used the word Naklanki.
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Re: Authority & Nur (light), of Imam in Quran & Farmans

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kmaherali wrote: Tue Feb 17, 2026 4:46 am
swamidada786 wrote: Mon Feb 16, 2026 10:26 pm In my post I wrote Tariqa, which means religious activities and not worldly litrature, songs, dancing, dresses, or languages. In Preamble Tenets of Ismailism are mentioned and explained by Hazar Imam, and are applicable to all Nizari Ismailis.
The preamble is a means of explaining our faith to others. Of course nobody is denying our fundamental tenets of our faith contained in it. However that is the tip of the iceberg. The Preamble states that the Talim of the Imam lights the path of the murid. Where do we find the Talim? It is in our diverse traditions.
swamidada786 wrote: Mon Feb 16, 2026 10:26 pm In my opinion, faith and the religious Tenets should be explained in a simple and clear manner so that no one should be confused. It is like 2+2= 4 and not 5. If some one want to prove 2+2= 5, then he has to use batini mathmatics. Religious Tenets and practices teach us uniformity and not diversity, we say Dua in a uniform manner and prostate all at same time. It is not allowed by Imam that one recite Dua in Gujrati, Sindhi, Kachhi, French, ot Italian. All Ismailis have to say Dua in Arabic, it is an example of uniformity.
Mathematics is not about 2+2 only. That is the beginning. We should not get stuck there only but need to go further to know calculus, algebra and so on.
You wrote," The Preamble states that the Talim of the Imam lights the path of the murid", Sure, the explanation of Tariqa, its inner meaning will come from the house of Imamat. Sensetive issues should be addressed by Imam of the time.

The example of 2+2=4/2+2=5 was to show that faith and Tariqa should be explained in a easy way and not to relate every religious aspect with batin. Let me give an example of batini affair. Traingle has 3 corners but person like you can claim, no it has 4 corners and I can prove it with my batini power. What you do,"in a sqare you draw a traingle and claim, look outer side of traingle has 4 corners". Batini equation solved but the person will drown in the sea of batiniyat.
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Re: Authority & Nur (light), of Imam in Quran & Farmans

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swamidada786 wrote: Tue Feb 17, 2026 9:45 pm Sensetive issues should be addressed by Imam of the time.
And of course through the Farmans, Ginans and Qasidas!
swamidada786 wrote: Tue Feb 17, 2026 9:45 pm Batini equation solved but the person will drown in the sea of batiniyat.
Our faith in essence Batini which has countless facets not just one like the zaher which is confined to a single interpretation
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Re: Authority & Nur (light), of Imam in Quran & Farmans

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To Swamidada,
The names of qavis which you mentioned; were these Sat Punthis? I am familiar with some names which I read here and there like; Dheru Bhagat, Mamdev, Sachdev, Ramdeve, Trikam, Jivan master. If they were Sat Punthis then sure they used the word Naklanki.
Have you read a Gujarati article of Dr. Balvant Jani which I sent couple of days ago? Please read that article first and I think you will find the correct answer.
Please remember we are discussing about the Hindu Bhajanik, Hindu Bhajans and word ‘ Nakalank’
I have Bhajan of above stated bhagats but if I post here then it will time consuming from my side therefore I am requesting you to read that article carefully since you know Gujarati and I hope you will receive all answers in Dr. Jani’s Gujarati article.
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Re: Authority & Nur (light), of Imam in Quran & Farmans

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kmaherali wrote: Tue Feb 17, 2026 10:36 pm
swamidada786 wrote: Tue Feb 17, 2026 9:45 pm Sensetive issues should be addressed by Imam of the time.
And of course through the Farmans, Ginans and Qasidas!
swamidada786 wrote: Tue Feb 17, 2026 9:45 pm Batini equation solved but the person will drown in the sea of batiniyat.
Our faith in essence Batini which has countless facets not just one like the zaher which is confined to a single interpretation
You wrote, Our faith in essence Batini which has countless facets not just one like the zaher which is confined to a single interpretation.
Countless facets means countless interpretations will create chaos because every one will consider he/she is right. Coutless facets created many divisions in Islam and even in our community. Where as zahir which is confined to one single interpretation will avoid divisons.
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ashraf59 wrote: Wed Feb 18, 2026 11:17 am To Swamidada,
The names of qavis which you mentioned; were these Sat Punthis? I am familiar with some names which I read here and there like; Dheru Bhagat, Mamdev, Sachdev, Ramdeve, Trikam, Jivan master. If they were Sat Punthis then sure they used the word Naklanki.
Have you read a Gujarati article of Dr. Balvant Jani which I sent couple of days ago? Please read that article first and I think you will find the correct answer.
Please remember we are discussing about the Hindu Bhajanik, Hindu Bhajans and word ‘ Nakalank’
I have Bhajan of above stated bhagats but if I post here then it will time consuming from my side therefore I am requesting you to read that article carefully since you know Gujarati and I hope you will receive all answers in Dr. Jani’s Gujarati article.
What is the meaning of વ્રિભાનો અલી.
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swamidada786 wrote: Wed Feb 18, 2026 10:25 pm You wrote, Our faith in essence Batini which has countless facets not just one like the zaher which is confined to a single interpretation.
Countless facets means countless interpretations will create chaos because every one will consider he/she is right. Coutless facets created many divisions in Islam and even in our community. Where as zahir which is confined to one single interpretation will avoid divisons.
Chaos is not possible if there is a spirit of tolerance. Mowlana Sultan Muhammad Shah says in his Memoirs:

Fortunately the Koran has itself made this task easy, for it contains a number of verses which declare that Allah speaks to man in allegory and parable. Thus the Koran leaves the door open for all kinds of possibilities of interpretation so that no one interpreter can accuse another of being non-Muslim. A felicitous effect of this fundamental principle of Islam that the Koran is constantly open to allegorical interpretation has been that our Holy Book has been able to guide and illuminate the thought of believers, century after century, in accordance with the conditions and limitations of intellectual appreciation imposed by external influences in the world. It leads also to a greater charity among Muslims, for since there can be no cut-and-dried interpretation, all schools of thought can unite in the prayer that the Almighty in His infinite mercy may forgive any mistaken interpretation of the Faith whose cause is ignorance or misunderstanding.

https://www.ismaili.net/Source/0016b.html
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Re: Authority & Nur (light), of Imam in Quran & Farmans

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. What is the meaning of વ્રિભાનો અલી.
Original text:
વ્રિભાનો અલી

Explanation:
The phrase વ્રિભાનો અલી, as printed in Nakalank Puran Part 1, has no clear meaning. વ્રિભાનો is intended to refer to TRIBHA, a short form of Tribhavandas, the ✍️ of that Bhajan while અલી Ali is also printed in book mentioned above
It might possible that the author was Ismaili!! this is my personal thinking.
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ashraf59 wrote: Thu Feb 19, 2026 11:42 am
. What is the meaning of વ્રિભાનો અલી.
Original text:
વ્રિભાનો અલી

Explanation:
The phrase વ્રિભાનો અલી, as printed in Nakalank Puran Part 1, has no clear meaning. વ્રિભાનો is intended to refer to TRIBHA, a short form of Tribhavandas, the ✍️ of that Bhajan while અલી Ali is also printed in book mentioned above
It might possible that the author was Ismaili!! this is my personal thinking.
In one of my previous post to you I mentioned," The names of qavis which you mentioned; were these Sat Punthis? I am familiar with some names which I read here and there like; Dheru Bhagat, Mamdev, Sachdev, Ramdeve, Trikam, Jivan master. If they were Sat Punthis then sure they used the word Naklanki". So we are on same page, as you wrote," It might possible that the author was Ismaili!! this is my opinion".
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kmaherali wrote: Thu Feb 19, 2026 2:08 am
swamidada786 wrote: Wed Feb 18, 2026 10:25 pm You wrote, Our faith in essence Batini which has countless facets not just one like the zaher which is confined to a single interpretation.
Countless facets means countless interpretations will create chaos because every one will consider he/she is right. Coutless facets created many divisions in Islam and even in our community. Where as zahir which is confined to one single interpretation will avoid divisons.
Chaos is not possible if there is a spirit of tolerance. Mowlana Sultan Muhammad Shah says in his Memoirs:

Fortunately the Koran has itself made this task easy, for it contains a number of verses which declare that Allah speaks to man in allegory and parable. Thus the Koran leaves the door open for all kinds of possibilities of interpretation so that no one interpreter can accuse another of being non-Muslim. A felicitous effect of this fundamental principle of Islam that the Koran is constantly open to allegorical interpretation has been that our Holy Book has been able to guide and illuminate the thought of believers, century after century, in accordance with the conditions and limitations of intellectual appreciation imposed by external influences in the world. It leads also to a greater charity among Muslims, for since there can be no cut-and-dried interpretation, all schools of thought can unite in the prayer that the Almighty in His infinite mercy may forgive any mistaken interpretation of the Faith whose cause is ignorance or misunderstanding.

https://www.ismaili.net/Source/0016b.html
I quote from your quote of Memoirs; " A felicitous effect of this fundamental principle of Islam that the Koran is constantly open to allegorical interpretation has been that our Holy Book has been able to guide and illuminate the thought of believers, century after century, in accordance with the conditions and limitations of intellectual appreciation imposed by external influences in the world. It leads also to a greater charity among Muslims, for SINCE THERE CAN BE NO CUT-AND-DRIED INTERPRETATION, all schools of thought can unite in the prayer that the Almighty in His infinite mercy may forgive any mistaken interpretation of the Faith whose cause is ignorance or misunderstanding".
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If they were Sat Punthis then sure they used the word Naklanki". So we are on same page, .
It is difficult to determine conclusively whether the saints belonged to Satpanth, Swaminarayan, Vaishnav, Hindu, or Brahmin traditions, as religious identities in the region were often fluid and overlapping.

Ramdev Pir and his family appear to have been significantly influenced by Ismaili traditions associated with Pir Shams’s lineage,* although they remained Hindu in social and religious identity.
*This fact you can find in one book of
Dominique Shila Khan

Devayat Pandit and his wife Dewal were Hindus, yet they accepted Pir Sadardin as their spiritual guide, reflecting the syncretic nature of devotional authority during the period.

One of Dewayat Pandit’s ginans is still recited in the Jamatkhana under the name Devrakh, indicating the circulation of these compositions beyond narrowly defined communal boundaries.

Eji farat neja trambal vaje,
Chadiya dev Niranjanja.

Dhiro is often considered to have been Ismaili in orientation, whereas Lirbai and Panbai were Hindu bhajanikas. Mamdev was Hindu and belonged to the Meghval community.

Regarding Sahdev, some historians suggest that this name may in fact represent a title or alternate name of Pir Sadardin himself rather than referring to a distinct historical individual.
The Sohdev title was derived to pir Sadardin after defeating Hindu pandits in debate in Kashi.
Thus, it is possible that several figures in this (non-exhaustive) list were connected to Satpanth traditions.

However, the present discussion focuses specifically on the usage and meaning of the term Nakalank in bhajans, which has been presented here for examination.
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ashraf59 wrote: Fri Feb 20, 2026 12:07 pm
If they were Sat Punthis then sure they used the word Naklanki". So we are on same page, .
It is difficult to determine conclusively whether the saints belonged to Satpanth, Swaminarayan, Vaishnav, Hindu, or Brahmin traditions, as religious identities in the region were often fluid and overlapping.

Ramdev Pir and his family appear to have been significantly influenced by Ismaili traditions associated with Pir Shams’s lineage,* although they remained Hindu in social and religious identity.
*This fact you can find in one book of
Dominique Shila Khan

Devayat Pandit and his wife Dewal were Hindus, yet they accepted Pir Sadardin as their spiritual guide, reflecting the syncretic nature of devotional authority during the period.

One of Dewayat Pandit’s ginans is still recited in the Jamatkhana under the name Devrakh, indicating the circulation of these compositions beyond narrowly defined communal boundaries.

Eji farat neja trambal vaje,
Chadiya dev Niranjanja.

Dhiro is often considered to have been Ismaili in orientation, whereas Lirbai and Panbai were Hindu bhajanikas. Mamdev was Hindu and belonged to the Meghval community.

Regarding Sahdev, some historians suggest that this name may in fact represent a title or alternate name of Pir Sadardin himself rather than referring to a distinct historical individual.
The Sohdev title was derived to pir Sadardin after defeating Hindu pandits in debate in Kashi.
Thus, it is possible that several figures in this (non-exhaustive) list were connected to Satpanth traditions.

However, the present discussion focuses specifically on the usage and meaning of the term Nakalank in bhajans, which has been presented here for examination.
In one paragraph, you mentioned,"One of Dewayat Pandit’s ginans is still recited in the Jamatkhana under the name Devrakh, indicating the circulation of these compositions beyond narrowly defined communal boundaries".

Interesting will you quote the whole Ginan of Pandit still reciting in JKs, thanks.
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