I have been to Russia many times, and there is no problem practising any relgion. There are many Muslims and many mosque. They also do sacrifise in Eid-ul-Azah.
Portugal population is 12 Million, world population is 6706 Million.
How many Ismaili-Muslims are actually there in the world?
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I think the problem is that majority of the people, on the west side of the Atlantic, are mentally blind. They are given just a bunch of news channels, websites and papers to watch or read which are just in total control of their owners which are about 0.0000001 % of the total population...so they have no idea of the truth or reality of the world and have lost the simple logic and common senses over the decades...so welcome to the mass mental slavery of North America...
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I think the problem is that majority of the people, on the west side of the Atlantic, are mentally blind. They are given just a bunch of news channels, websites and papers to watch or read which are just in total control of their owners which are about 0.0000001 % of the total population...so they have no idea of the truth or reality of the world and have lost the simple logic and common senses over the decades...so welcome to the mass mental slavery of North America...
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Ismaili in Rajastan.
Admin,Admin wrote:Being an Ismaili is a matter of the soul, not of the body. Only Imam knows whose soul he calls his beloved spiritual children. Imam's saying is therefore final in this matter.
However think in this terms:
If you have been to Masyaf, you know there are 5 or 6 different types of Ismaili groups.. all believe in Imam Ismail [therefore are Ismailis] but not necessarily in the present Imam.
The Druzes are Ismailis. The Whoras - Mustealians are Ismailis. There are one million Mustealian Ismailis in saudi arabia. There is a large concentration in Yemen, also they are known as whoras in India. Druzes are in the mountains, mostly in Syria, Lebanon, Golan hights, now South America also since more then half Century. Joumblat, the leader of the Druze has previously indicated their intention of joining the main stream under the leadership of Hazar Imam. 25 years ago we had about 500 Druzes in Montreal, Canada. I don't know about other places in the Western World but they started migrating very early.
There are 4.5 millions followers of Ramdev Pir, in Rajasthan, an offshoot of Ismailis that will join back in a twinkle of the eye when the Imam decides.
In 1988, I went to Pirana, Gujrat. I met with the Mota Kaka of Imam Shahis, he told me that they are an offshot of the Fatimids. Hindus maybe trying to convert them but they know they are not Hindus but ismailis.
Few years ago I came across books by some Hindus... they looked like Bhajan books. reading them, they were countless reference to Panj Tan Pak, Shah Nizar, Alamut etc... During the SOS Khojki Conference, al Waez Salim Musa mentioned some neighbours in Toronto that used to recite our ginans, upon inquiring, they said they were Athias since Centuries. Some of them found about main stream Ismailism and few later joined back our Jamat.
Pir Shams opened 84 jk in China in his time. The population of China was small at that times. Now there are more then 50 millions Muslims, many Ismailis, still in secret. The rulers in Vietnam during Fatimid times were ismailis, our Dai went to preach very far.
In Iran, which is dominated by Ithnashris, they are not openly saying they are Ismailis but they are tons.
When I was a kid, the general belief was that there were no Ismailis left in Soviet Union because of decades upon decades of religious restriction. Soviet Union has disappeared but Ismailis are still there. How long did it take to our ex Soviet Ismailis to come in the open? Once Imam decide, all will come out.
12 millions? 15 Millions? 20 millions? who cares. Maybe there are more. maybe many will leave the Imam in our times and some day we will be less.
When the Imam was asked if he plans to increase the number of Ismaiis during his Imamat, he replied absolutely NOT! The Imam knows better.
I am surprised to read that, there are some Ismailis in Rajasthan! they believe in Ramdev Pir, are they still Ismailis? I have not heard about them when I used to live in Gujarat State which is neighbor state of Rajasthan? can you give me some detail about this sect?
By the way future of Pakistan is very bright, whatever Rai Abu Ali told in his waezs will come true one of day, that is for sure we have to wait and see.
Admin, can you or anybody tell me that how many Ismailis are still in 'Saurastra" mostly called Kathiawad in Gujarat State now a days?
research is continuing in this field of Ram Dev Pir's Ismailis
See for example:
Conversions and Shifting Identities : Ramdev Pir and the Ismailis in Rajasthan/Dominique-Sila Khan. Reprint. New Delhi, Manohar, 2003, 294 p., map, illus., (pbk). ISBN 81-7304-489-9.
Contents: Foreword. Introduction. I. Nizari Ismailism and the Nizar Panth: 1. The Ismailis in the Indian subcontinent: exchanges and confrontations. 2. Ramdev and other Rajput Pirs: the Nizari Dawa in Rajasthan. 3. Hindu and Muslim Pirs: the community fragmented. 4. Hymns and rituals : a comparative study of the Nizarpanthi and Khoja religious literatures and ceremonies. 5. Ismailism and the Harijans. II. Other forgotten branches of Ismailism: secession and dissidence: 6. Ai Mata and the Ai Panth of Bilara. 7. Jambha Pir, the Prahladvanshis and the Bishnoi Panth. 8. Jasnath, the Siddhs and the Jasnathi Sampraday. 9. The Nizari Dawa and the Nath Sampraday. 10. Ram and Rahim: Nizari Ismailism and the Sant Parampara. Conclusion. Bibliography. Indexes.
"Using a combination of ethnographic data based on the description of shrines and rituals and of popular literature, this book seeks to investigate Hindu ‘folk’ traditions in Rajasthan (especially cults associated with Ramdev, Jambha, Jasnath, Ai Mata), where the presence of Muslim elements is conspicuous. The author reaches the conclusion that the followers of these cults had originally been converted to Ismailism during the thirteenth and fourteenth centuries by missionaries acting under the direction of the central Ismaili dawa in the Multan region.
"With the decline of that central authority from the fifteenth century onwards, such communities apparently broke away from the parent body and came under the control of various Pirs and Gurus, whilst at the same time interacting with other religious groups such as the Nath Jogis and the Sants. Although they retain traces of their former Ismaili affiliation, these communities have in modern times come under increasing pressure to either adopt a more conventional Hindu identity or assimilate to Sunni or Twelver Shia Islam.
"In short, the study opens up new research prospects which are likely to alter the general landscape of its major themes: Rajasthan, popular religion, Ismailism and beyond." (jacket)
See for example:
Conversions and Shifting Identities : Ramdev Pir and the Ismailis in Rajasthan/Dominique-Sila Khan. Reprint. New Delhi, Manohar, 2003, 294 p., map, illus., (pbk). ISBN 81-7304-489-9.
Contents: Foreword. Introduction. I. Nizari Ismailism and the Nizar Panth: 1. The Ismailis in the Indian subcontinent: exchanges and confrontations. 2. Ramdev and other Rajput Pirs: the Nizari Dawa in Rajasthan. 3. Hindu and Muslim Pirs: the community fragmented. 4. Hymns and rituals : a comparative study of the Nizarpanthi and Khoja religious literatures and ceremonies. 5. Ismailism and the Harijans. II. Other forgotten branches of Ismailism: secession and dissidence: 6. Ai Mata and the Ai Panth of Bilara. 7. Jambha Pir, the Prahladvanshis and the Bishnoi Panth. 8. Jasnath, the Siddhs and the Jasnathi Sampraday. 9. The Nizari Dawa and the Nath Sampraday. 10. Ram and Rahim: Nizari Ismailism and the Sant Parampara. Conclusion. Bibliography. Indexes.
"Using a combination of ethnographic data based on the description of shrines and rituals and of popular literature, this book seeks to investigate Hindu ‘folk’ traditions in Rajasthan (especially cults associated with Ramdev, Jambha, Jasnath, Ai Mata), where the presence of Muslim elements is conspicuous. The author reaches the conclusion that the followers of these cults had originally been converted to Ismailism during the thirteenth and fourteenth centuries by missionaries acting under the direction of the central Ismaili dawa in the Multan region.
"With the decline of that central authority from the fifteenth century onwards, such communities apparently broke away from the parent body and came under the control of various Pirs and Gurus, whilst at the same time interacting with other religious groups such as the Nath Jogis and the Sants. Although they retain traces of their former Ismaili affiliation, these communities have in modern times come under increasing pressure to either adopt a more conventional Hindu identity or assimilate to Sunni or Twelver Shia Islam.
"In short, the study opens up new research prospects which are likely to alter the general landscape of its major themes: Rajasthan, popular religion, Ismailism and beyond." (jacket)
There is an interesting article on Ramdev Pir and the connection to Ismailism at:
Doctrines --> link between hinduism and ismalism
http://www.ismaili.net/html/modules.php ... sc&start=0
Doctrines --> link between hinduism and ismalism
http://www.ismaili.net/html/modules.php ... sc&start=0
Ya Ali Madad,
Imam Sultan Mohammad Shah has said in his farmans that on the day of judgment, 18 universes worth of Ismaili will come together. In our tariqah, the day of death is the day of judgment. Mowlana Hazir Imam in his farmans several times has said that there are 15 million Ismailis in this world (planet earth). Although, I believe Mowla has not just created this universe for plant earth only. Therefore there could be other places where Ismailis reside amongst this universe, what I am referring to is those ruhanis that are not in human form. Just something to think about...
May mowla bless you all and give you Iman-ji-salamati
Imam Sultan Mohammad Shah has said in his farmans that on the day of judgment, 18 universes worth of Ismaili will come together. In our tariqah, the day of death is the day of judgment. Mowlana Hazir Imam in his farmans several times has said that there are 15 million Ismailis in this world (planet earth). Although, I believe Mowla has not just created this universe for plant earth only. Therefore there could be other places where Ismailis reside amongst this universe, what I am referring to is those ruhanis that are not in human form. Just something to think about...
May mowla bless you all and give you Iman-ji-salamati
It is quoted in Al-Fatiha.
Karim,
Yes, there are many other universes too as per one Quranic Aayat which we all recite daily in our Dua. Al- Fatiha
We recite that
Bismillahir Rahmani Rahim: Shuru karta hu Allah ke nam se jo bada Raheman aour Rahim Hai.
Alhamdo Lillahir RABBIL AALMEEN" Tarif us parvardigar ki jo kayenate ka palanhar hai.( if there are only one Aalam then it should be quoted "Rabbul Aalam" kayenat ka palan karne vala. but in this ayat it is quoted as Rabbil Aalmeen menas more than one kayenat
AALAM: MEANS ONE KAYENAT
AALMEEN: MEANS MORE THAN ONE KAYENAT
One more proof Prophet Mohammad Rasool ( S.A.) Call and remembere as;
RAHEMTULA AALMEEN" means sari kaynate pe raham karne vaala.
Scientist still has to discover the other universal, I read once that the scientist of University of Texas has been discovered another universe around 5-10 years ago and since then I have not heard any thing about new discovery.
Yes, there are many other universes too as per one Quranic Aayat which we all recite daily in our Dua. Al- Fatiha
We recite that
Bismillahir Rahmani Rahim: Shuru karta hu Allah ke nam se jo bada Raheman aour Rahim Hai.
Alhamdo Lillahir RABBIL AALMEEN" Tarif us parvardigar ki jo kayenate ka palanhar hai.( if there are only one Aalam then it should be quoted "Rabbul Aalam" kayenat ka palan karne vala. but in this ayat it is quoted as Rabbil Aalmeen menas more than one kayenat
AALAM: MEANS ONE KAYENAT
AALMEEN: MEANS MORE THAN ONE KAYENAT
One more proof Prophet Mohammad Rasool ( S.A.) Call and remembere as;
RAHEMTULA AALMEEN" means sari kaynate pe raham karne vaala.
Scientist still has to discover the other universal, I read once that the scientist of University of Texas has been discovered another universe around 5-10 years ago and since then I have not heard any thing about new discovery.
1960, November 2: Under the auspices of the Royal Commonwealth Society at Oxford University, H.H. The Aga Khan, Mowlana Hazar Imam delivered a lecture on "Ismaili Community and its Contribution to the Commonwealth." - "The Ismailis today live in 22 different countries....Together with Russian Turkestan and Communist China, they number in all around 20 million. It is impossible for me to be more precise about the number as I do not have a community census, nor do the Governments hold national censuses in many of the states I have mentioned."