Nikah text, Yousuf and Zulekha

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kmaherali wrote:Translation of the Khutbatan Nikkah

I seek refuge in Allah from the accursed Satan
In the name of God, The infinitely compassionate. The infinetly merciful.
Praise be to Allah, Lord of the worlds; The Beneficent, the Merciful;
Owner of the Day of Judgement. You alone we worship; You alone we ask for help.
Guide us on the straight path; The path of those You have favoured
Not the path of those who earn Your anger Or of those who go astray

O Allah, bestow your blessings upon Muhammad the chosen. ON Ali the favourite. AND the pure Imams AND on the proof of the command, the lord of the time and age, our present and living imam, Mawlana Shah Karim al-Husayni

GOD ALMIGHTY AND EXALTED SAYS: And among His signs is that He created for you, of yourselves, spouses. SO that you may live in tranquility with them AND ordained love and compassion between you. Verily, THERE are signs in this for people who reflect.
AND HE SAYS: It is He who created you from a single soul and therefrom made his mate, so that he may live in tranquility with her.
AND HE SAYS: It is Allah who appointed for you from among yourselves, your wives. AND from your wives He has appointed for you children and grandchildren and provided good things for your sustenance.
Verily the Almighty Exalted God speaks the Truth

Translation of the DU’A or Prayer

O Allah, unite the two as you united Nabiyyina Adam and Hawwah (a.s.)
O Allah, unite the two as you united Nabiyyina Ibrahim and Hajar (a.s.)
O Allah, unite the two as you united Nabiyyina Yusuf and Zulaykha (a.s.)
O Allah, unite the two as you united Nabiyyina Musa and Safura (a.s.)
O Allah, unite the two as you united Nabiyyina Muhammad-al-Mustafa and Khadija-al-Kubra (a.s.)
O Allah, unite the two as you united Mawlana Ali al-Murtaza and Fatimat-al-Zahra (a.s.)

O Allah, make their marriage a blessed one by the blessings of the Imam of the Time, Mawlana Shah Karim al-Husayni, and grant them fine posterity.
I bear witness that there is no deity but Allah.
And I bear witness that Muhammad is Allah’s messenger.
And I bear witness that Ali, the commander of the faithful, is from Allah.
O Allah, bestow your blessings upon Muhammad the Chosen, on Ali the favourite, on the Pure Imams, and on the proof of the command, the lord of the Time and Age, our Present and Living Imam, Mawlana Shah Karim al-Husayni.
And praise be to Allah the Lord of the worlds.

There are 3 parts of Nikah. You have given translations of first and third parts but omitted the second.
Just for information;
I am narrating what I was told by a Satpunthi friend from Canada. He said I quote," When Nikah was introduced in 2009, I was summond by a Mukhi saheb in Toronto area to recite Nikah. He provided me pages of Arabic text and its meaning in English. I was surprised that each page was marked CONFIDENTIAL and bottom line on first paper read was NOT FOR CIRCULATION. Mukhi Saheb ordred, when Nikah is recited return the copies to me. further he said ' when he inquired about Nikah copies from ITREB USA AGAIN IT WAS SAME SITUATION. Copies were not provided saying COFIDENTIAL. After year or so when he visited Karachi Pakistan, he went to purchase some books from the book store situated within ITREB building in Garden, he was surprised to see that Nikah book was sold there. He asked them that in Canada and USA this NIKAH document is dubbed as confidential and you are selling it openly. The reply was there is no confidentiality in it every jamaiti can purchase copy of it"
The question arises, that there is no proper working relationship between ITREBs. They have different views on different issues. In few countries the same document is private or confidential and in others it is open to all.
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shivaathervedi wrote:The question arises, that there is no proper working relationship between ITREBs. They have different views on different issues. In few countries the same document is private or confidential and in others it is open to all.
I personally do not see any issue with the document being circulated even amongst non-Ismailis. The Nikah ceremonies are attended by non-Ismailis as well. It is a good idea for individuals to know before hand what they are getting into by reading the document.

What is the second part about?
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kmaherali wrote:
shivaathervedi wrote:The question arises, that there is no proper working relationship between ITREBs. They have different views on different issues. In few countries the same document is private or confidential and in others it is open to all.
I personally do not see any issue with the document being circulated even amongst non-Ismailis. The Nikah ceremonies are attended by non-Ismailis as well. It is a good idea for individuals to know before hand what they are getting into by reading the document.

What is the second part about?

The second part is AQD AZZAWAJ. This part is a kind of declaration containing names of bride, bridegroom and their witnesses. The bride and bridegroom fallow Ismaili Tariqa. Date and place of marriage. Amount of MAHAR AND CONFIRMATION OF MARRIAGE by Mukhi and Kamadia of the JK.
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shivaathervedi wrote: The second part is AQD AZZAWAJ. This part is a kind of declaration containing names of bride, bridegroom and their witnesses. The bride and bridegroom fallow Ismaili Tariqa. Date and place of marriage. Amount of MAHAR AND CONFIRMATION OF MARRIAGE by Mukhi and Kamadia of the JK.
The above information is specific to a particular Nikah ceremony, so it cannot be generalized. Nevertheless it is good to know what the second part consists of. Thanks for sharing.
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Was Hazrat Yusuf an imam of his time?
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moiz.ashiqali@yahoo.com wrote:Was Hazrat Yusuf an imam of his time?
Generally Prophets are not Imams as understood in Ismailism. Hazarat Yusuf was a Nabi - Prophet.
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Who was his companion Imam then?
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moiz.ashiqali@yahoo.com wrote:Who was his companion Imam then?
There would of course have been an Ismaili Imam but not in the sense of Ali with Muhammad. Muhammad was a Messenger - Rasul as well and hence there is a special historical relationship between him and Hazarat Ali as his Inheritor. Hazarat Yusuf was not a Messenger and hence in this context the Imam's historical identity is not important.
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kmaherali wrote:
moiz.ashiqali@yahoo.com wrote:Who was his companion Imam then?
There would of course have been an Ismaili Imam but not in the sense of Ali with Muhammad. Muhammad was a Messenger - Rasul as well and hence there is a special historical relationship between him and Hazarat Ali as his Inheritor. Hazarat Yusuf was not a Messenger and hence in this context the Imam's historical identity is not important.
On the contrary, I think it is important to know who was Imam when as we know there were Imam continuously since creation and beyond. The Asal Ghat Pat ji Dua did give some names but there are names also in other religious books and in Farmans (for example Sultan Muhammad Shah confirmed that Aaron was on the Takht during Mousa's time)

I would welcome anyone that could have this kind of info for who was Imam during the era of Yusuf.

But obviously this is not a topic in this thread, I hope this will be discussed soon in the appropriate thread.
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Admin wrote: I would welcome anyone that could have this kind of info for who was Imam during the era of Yusuf.
Obviously difficult to determine through normal historical means. One may of course get that knowledge through vision in Ibadat/bandagi!
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Thank you Kmaherali Bhai and Admin
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