Airline pilots capture video of ‘extremely bright UFO’ during flight in Pakistan (VIDEOS)
The pilots stopped the object (inset) during a flight from Karachi to Lahore. © Thomas Sbampato/ Global Look Press
Two Pakistan International Airlines pilots have captured intriguing video footage of an “extremely bright UFO” during a domestic flight. The video has gone viral in Pakistan.
It emerged Wednesday that the pilots saw the strange object during a flight from Karachi to Lahore at around 4pm on January 23. The plane was travelling at an altitude of 35,000 feet when the sighting occurred.
“The UFO was extremely bright despite the presence of sunlight,” the pilot said, speaking to Pakistan’s Geo News.
One of the flight team began recording the white circular object and the footage subsequently went viral in Pakistan. Several of the country’s news networks reported on the mysterious encounter.
A spokesperson for Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) said the pilots immediately reported the unidentified object to the control room when they came across it near the Punjabi city of Rahim Yar Khan.
“According to the pilots they witnessed a ‘flying saucer’ at an altitude of 35,000 feet in the sky,” the national carrier’s spokesperson said.
"It is too early to say what that object was. In fact, we might not be able to tell what the object was at all,” the spokesperson added. “However, something was spotted and it was reported in accordance with the required protocol.”
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UFO / Alien
Aliens Must Be Out There
Why aren’t we looking for them?
The sun is not special. I know that’s a churlish thing to say about everyone’s favorite celestial body, our planet’s blazing engine and eternal clock, giver of light, life and spectacular Instagram backdrops. Awesome as it is, though, the sun is still a pretty ordinary star, one of an estimated 100 billion to 400 billion in the Milky Way galaxy alone. And the Milky Way is itself just one galaxy among hundreds of billions or perhaps trillions in the observable universe.
Then there’s Earth, a lovely place to raise a species but, as planets go, perhaps as unusual as a Starbucks in a strip mall. Billions of the Milky Way’s stars could be orbited by planets with similarly ideal conditions to support life. Across all of space, there may be quintillions or a sextillion potentially habitable planets — which is more than the estimated grains of sand on all of Earth’s beaches.
So isn’t it hubris to assume that we’re the only life around? Since Nicolaus Copernicus posited nearly 500 years ago that Earth is not at the center of the universe, much of what humanity has learned about the cosmos has confirmed our insignificant ordinariness. We live aboard Carl Sagan’s pale blue dot, “a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.” In all the vastness of space and time, then, doesn’t it seem likely, maybe even obvious, that there exist other ordinary beings on other insignificant motes?
You might respond with the physicist Enrico Fermi’s famous paradox: If life is so common, why haven’t we seen it?
Now, in a dazzling new book, “Extraterrestrial: The First Sign of Intelligent Life Beyond Earth,” the astrophysicist Avi Loeb offers a forceful rejoinder to Fermi. Loeb, a professor at Harvard, argues that the absence of evidence regarding life elsewhere is not evidence of its absence. What if the reason we haven’t come across life beyond Earth is the same reason I can never find my keys when I’m in a hurry — not because they don’t exist but because I did a slapdash job looking for them?
“The search for extraterrestrial life has never been more than an oddity to the vast majority of scientists,” Loeb writes. To “them, it is a subject worthy of, at best, glancing interest and at worst, outright derision.”
That attitude may be changing. In the past few years there has been a flurry of new interest in the search for aliens. Tech billionaires are funding novel efforts to scan the heavens for evidence of life, and after decades of giving the field short shrift, NASA recently joined the search.
Still, Loeb argues, we are not looking hard enough. Other areas of physics, especially abstruse mathematical concepts like supersymmetry, are showered with funding and academic respect, while one of the most profound questions humanity has ever pondered — Are we alone? — lingers largely on the sidelines.
Loeb is a former chair of Harvard’s department of astronomy, and the director of its Black Hole Initiative and its Institute for Theory and Computation. He’s spent much of his career studying the early universe and black holes, but in the past few years he has become best known for his eccentric analysis of a cosmic mystery that unfolded over 11 days in 2017.
That October, a telescope in Maui captured an exotic speck speeding across the sky. It was interstellar — recognized as the first object we’ve ever seen that originated outside our solar system. Unusual though it was, the astronomical community quickly arrived at a consensus: The object — named Oumuamua, which translates roughly to the Hawaiian for “scout” — was some kind of comet, asteroid or other body of natural origin.
ImageAvi Loeb.
Avi Loeb.Credit...Olivia Falcigno
Loeb disagrees. The “simplest explanation,” he writes, is that Oumuamua “was created by an intelligent civilization not of this earth.” The object’s size, shape, luminosity and in particular its unexpected trajectory around the sun suggested something like a lightsail — a large, thin reflective object that might propel a vehicle using starlight in the way a sailboat is pushed by the wind.
Loeb would know; before Oumuamua was discovered, he worked on a plan to use a laser-powered lightsail to send a tiny probe to Alpha Centauri, a star system about four light-years from our sun. Reaching speeds up to 100 million miles an hour, Loeb’s proposed lightsail would reach Alpha Centauri in about 20 years.
I’m far from qualified to determine which side has the upper hand in the debate over Oumuamua (The New Yorker’s Elizabeth Kolbert has a terrific piece sorting through the evidence). But in some ways the origin of Oumuamua is not the deepest mystery in Loeb’s book; a bigger puzzle is the closed-mindedness of the scientific establishment, its grumbling reluctance even to entertain the idea that an unusual object might be of alien origin.
What accounts for the reflexive skepticism? Much of it is a matter of optics — looking for alien life just sounds kind of zany. In 1992, NASA spent $12 million on a project to listen for radio signals from other planets; the next year, Congress cut the funding, with one senator joking that “we have yet to bag a single little green fellow.” The joke illustrates a persistent problem for scientists who want to look for alien intelligence — the “giggle factor,” a sense that there’s something unserious and whimsical about the entire endeavor. These perceptions tend to stick; for almost three decades after the 1992 funding, there was essentially no NASA support for the search for extraterrestrial life.
The drought finally ended last year, when the space agency funded an effort by Loeb and several colleagues to look for “technosignatures” of life on other planets — for instance, the presence of industrial pollutants or a concentration of bright light similar to what we see in our densest cities.
Scientific and technological advances have also encouraged new interest in the search for life. The first confirmed exoplanet — a planet beyond our solar system — was found in 1995, but it was the 2009 launch of the Kepler space telescope that supercharged the search. Researchers have cataloged nearly 4,700 exoplanets, and astronomers are eager for the launch this year of NASA’s James Webb space telescope, which promises to provide much closer views of distant worlds.
Besides a lack of resources, Loeb says the search for aliens has been hampered by risk aversion and groupthink. Young scientists rarely push boundaries because doing so risks making mistakes, and mistakes don’t advance careers.
That attitude feeds on itself, fostering sameness and insularity. Loeb points out that many of the most fashionable research topics in physics — other than supersymmetry, ideas like extra-spatial dimensions, string theory, multiverses — lack much experimental backing. But there is compelling evidence to suspect that life exists elsewhere — life exists on Earth, and there’s little reason other than Homo sapiens privilege to think we’re special.
There is much we could do to keep an eye out for beings elsewhere — at the least, as Loeb suggests, surrounding the planet with a network of orbiting high-definition cameras so that the next time an Oumuamua-like object comes hurtling by, we can get a closer glimpse of it. He calls for allocating more scientific resources, like access to telescopes, to high-risk projects. He proposes the creation of a cross-disciplinary science, “astro-archeology,” dedicated to detecting and analyzing relics in other worlds.
I found myself cheering for Loeb’s proposals. Aliens are almost certainly out there, and finding even circumstantial evidence of other beings — even long-dead civilizations — would alter humanity in deep ways, almost certainly for the better. We might gain perspective on our most intractable problems, we might discover novel technologies, and we might learn of unseen dangers in our future.
All we have to do is open our eyes and look.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/11/opin ... iversified
Why aren’t we looking for them?
The sun is not special. I know that’s a churlish thing to say about everyone’s favorite celestial body, our planet’s blazing engine and eternal clock, giver of light, life and spectacular Instagram backdrops. Awesome as it is, though, the sun is still a pretty ordinary star, one of an estimated 100 billion to 400 billion in the Milky Way galaxy alone. And the Milky Way is itself just one galaxy among hundreds of billions or perhaps trillions in the observable universe.
Then there’s Earth, a lovely place to raise a species but, as planets go, perhaps as unusual as a Starbucks in a strip mall. Billions of the Milky Way’s stars could be orbited by planets with similarly ideal conditions to support life. Across all of space, there may be quintillions or a sextillion potentially habitable planets — which is more than the estimated grains of sand on all of Earth’s beaches.
So isn’t it hubris to assume that we’re the only life around? Since Nicolaus Copernicus posited nearly 500 years ago that Earth is not at the center of the universe, much of what humanity has learned about the cosmos has confirmed our insignificant ordinariness. We live aboard Carl Sagan’s pale blue dot, “a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.” In all the vastness of space and time, then, doesn’t it seem likely, maybe even obvious, that there exist other ordinary beings on other insignificant motes?
You might respond with the physicist Enrico Fermi’s famous paradox: If life is so common, why haven’t we seen it?
Now, in a dazzling new book, “Extraterrestrial: The First Sign of Intelligent Life Beyond Earth,” the astrophysicist Avi Loeb offers a forceful rejoinder to Fermi. Loeb, a professor at Harvard, argues that the absence of evidence regarding life elsewhere is not evidence of its absence. What if the reason we haven’t come across life beyond Earth is the same reason I can never find my keys when I’m in a hurry — not because they don’t exist but because I did a slapdash job looking for them?
“The search for extraterrestrial life has never been more than an oddity to the vast majority of scientists,” Loeb writes. To “them, it is a subject worthy of, at best, glancing interest and at worst, outright derision.”
That attitude may be changing. In the past few years there has been a flurry of new interest in the search for aliens. Tech billionaires are funding novel efforts to scan the heavens for evidence of life, and after decades of giving the field short shrift, NASA recently joined the search.
Still, Loeb argues, we are not looking hard enough. Other areas of physics, especially abstruse mathematical concepts like supersymmetry, are showered with funding and academic respect, while one of the most profound questions humanity has ever pondered — Are we alone? — lingers largely on the sidelines.
Loeb is a former chair of Harvard’s department of astronomy, and the director of its Black Hole Initiative and its Institute for Theory and Computation. He’s spent much of his career studying the early universe and black holes, but in the past few years he has become best known for his eccentric analysis of a cosmic mystery that unfolded over 11 days in 2017.
That October, a telescope in Maui captured an exotic speck speeding across the sky. It was interstellar — recognized as the first object we’ve ever seen that originated outside our solar system. Unusual though it was, the astronomical community quickly arrived at a consensus: The object — named Oumuamua, which translates roughly to the Hawaiian for “scout” — was some kind of comet, asteroid or other body of natural origin.
ImageAvi Loeb.
Avi Loeb.Credit...Olivia Falcigno
Loeb disagrees. The “simplest explanation,” he writes, is that Oumuamua “was created by an intelligent civilization not of this earth.” The object’s size, shape, luminosity and in particular its unexpected trajectory around the sun suggested something like a lightsail — a large, thin reflective object that might propel a vehicle using starlight in the way a sailboat is pushed by the wind.
Loeb would know; before Oumuamua was discovered, he worked on a plan to use a laser-powered lightsail to send a tiny probe to Alpha Centauri, a star system about four light-years from our sun. Reaching speeds up to 100 million miles an hour, Loeb’s proposed lightsail would reach Alpha Centauri in about 20 years.
I’m far from qualified to determine which side has the upper hand in the debate over Oumuamua (The New Yorker’s Elizabeth Kolbert has a terrific piece sorting through the evidence). But in some ways the origin of Oumuamua is not the deepest mystery in Loeb’s book; a bigger puzzle is the closed-mindedness of the scientific establishment, its grumbling reluctance even to entertain the idea that an unusual object might be of alien origin.
What accounts for the reflexive skepticism? Much of it is a matter of optics — looking for alien life just sounds kind of zany. In 1992, NASA spent $12 million on a project to listen for radio signals from other planets; the next year, Congress cut the funding, with one senator joking that “we have yet to bag a single little green fellow.” The joke illustrates a persistent problem for scientists who want to look for alien intelligence — the “giggle factor,” a sense that there’s something unserious and whimsical about the entire endeavor. These perceptions tend to stick; for almost three decades after the 1992 funding, there was essentially no NASA support for the search for extraterrestrial life.
The drought finally ended last year, when the space agency funded an effort by Loeb and several colleagues to look for “technosignatures” of life on other planets — for instance, the presence of industrial pollutants or a concentration of bright light similar to what we see in our densest cities.
Scientific and technological advances have also encouraged new interest in the search for life. The first confirmed exoplanet — a planet beyond our solar system — was found in 1995, but it was the 2009 launch of the Kepler space telescope that supercharged the search. Researchers have cataloged nearly 4,700 exoplanets, and astronomers are eager for the launch this year of NASA’s James Webb space telescope, which promises to provide much closer views of distant worlds.
Besides a lack of resources, Loeb says the search for aliens has been hampered by risk aversion and groupthink. Young scientists rarely push boundaries because doing so risks making mistakes, and mistakes don’t advance careers.
That attitude feeds on itself, fostering sameness and insularity. Loeb points out that many of the most fashionable research topics in physics — other than supersymmetry, ideas like extra-spatial dimensions, string theory, multiverses — lack much experimental backing. But there is compelling evidence to suspect that life exists elsewhere — life exists on Earth, and there’s little reason other than Homo sapiens privilege to think we’re special.
There is much we could do to keep an eye out for beings elsewhere — at the least, as Loeb suggests, surrounding the planet with a network of orbiting high-definition cameras so that the next time an Oumuamua-like object comes hurtling by, we can get a closer glimpse of it. He calls for allocating more scientific resources, like access to telescopes, to high-risk projects. He proposes the creation of a cross-disciplinary science, “astro-archeology,” dedicated to detecting and analyzing relics in other worlds.
I found myself cheering for Loeb’s proposals. Aliens are almost certainly out there, and finding even circumstantial evidence of other beings — even long-dead civilizations — would alter humanity in deep ways, almost certainly for the better. We might gain perspective on our most intractable problems, we might discover novel technologies, and we might learn of unseen dangers in our future.
All we have to do is open our eyes and look.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/11/opin ... iversified
They Are Not Alone: U.F.O. Reports Surged in the Pandemic
With skies lacking light pollution and most nights free, New Yorkers reported nearly twice as many mysterious sightings last year.
In the years since she says extraterrestrial beings took her from her suburban yard outside Rochester, N.Y., Virginia Stringfellow has kept her story mostly within a close-knit community of people who say they have also encountered U.F.O.s.
But over the past year, that pool has grown: Each of her monthly locals-only U.F.O. meet-ups average about five new people who believe they have seen a mysterious object in the sky — not including about 50 out-of-towners who have tried to join.
“I have to turn away people,” said Ms. Stringfellow, 75.
Sightings of unidentified objects in 2020 nearly doubled in New York from the previous year, to about 300, according to data compiled by the National U.F.O. Reporting Center. They also rose by about 1,000 nationwide, to more than 7,200 sightings.
But according to ufologists (pronounced “yoof-ologists”), as those who study the phenomena call themselves, the trend is not necessarily the result of an alien invasion. Rather, it was likely caused in part by another invader: the coronavirus.
Pushed to stay home by lockdown restrictions, many found themselves with more time to look up. In New York, droves of urbanites fleeing the virus took up residence in places like the Catskills and the Adirondacks, where skies are largely free from light pollution. About a quarter of the reports nationally came in March and April of last year, when lockdowns were at their most strict. Glimmers wobbling across the sky have gone viral on TikTok, racking up millions of views.
Longtime U.F.O. enthusiasts say the pandemic clearly has more people scanning the night skies. But there is another reason that the public might be newly receptive to the idea that the flicker on the horizon is worth reporting: The Pentagon revealed over the summer that it would soon convene a new task force to investigate so-called “unidentified aerial phenomena” observed from military aircraft. Last year, it declassified three videos of such sightings.
In addition, the $2.3 trillion appropriations package signed by former President Donald J. Trump late last year includes a provision that the secretary of defense and director of national intelligence collaborate on a U.F.O. report and release it to the public.
“It’s encouraging to many of us in the field of ufology that the government is willing to confirm that they are aware of these circumstances, that they are conceding that people are reporting these events,” said Peter Davenport, the director of the U.F.O. reporting center, known as NUFORC.
Previously, he said, the government appeared to have believed “that people like me are just crazy — and we’re not.”
Mr. Davenport and his peers are quick to point out that any uptick in sightings does not mean a spike in flying saucers. Unidentified flying objects are just that — airborne phenomena that have not yet been identified. The vast majority of sightings called in to the reporting center are swiftly determined to be things like birds, bats, satellites, planes and drones, he said.
A number of sightings in Northern Idaho last year were quickly identified as satellites launched by SpaceX, Elon Musk’s private space company, which launched a large number of small internet satellites that were temporarily visible from the ground after they reached orbit. One viral TikTok video of an object hovering in New Jersey last year turned out to be a Goodyear blimp.
“A skilled U.F.O. investigator is one of the most skeptical people around,” Mr. Davenport said.
Only a small fraction of reports scrutinized by NUFORC, which is based in Washington State, are truly not identifiable. That proportion has not changed even as more calls have poured in, according to the director.
Ufologists are frequently prickly when it comes to the subject of apparent increases in U.F.O. sightings, warning that bumps occur with regularity over the years, and are a favorite subject of news reports. The coverage itself may also drive up so-called sightings, they warn.
In New York, as city dwellers have tried to escape the virus by relocating to the countryside, they have driven up rural sightings, said Chris DePerno, the assistant director of the New York State branch of the Mutual U.F.O. Network, a nonprofit organization that uses civilian investigators to study reports of U.F.O.s.
Absent urban light pollution, he said, the transplants are taking new notice of the night sky and whatever may be in it.
“They come up toward the Hudson Valley, it’s beautiful up there, you get clear skies and then all of a sudden you see this thing zipping through the sky, that stopped on a dime, goes straight up, takes off again, stops, comes back — we’re talking incredible speeds,” said Mr. DePerno, a retired police detective.
“With the Covid thing, more people are looking up,” he said.
The seeming uptick in reports has come as a relief to some who say they’ve seen mysterious floating craft, but feared they were alone.
“Because of the Pentagon being outed, there is more news now, there is more reporting now,” said Ms. Stringfellow, who goes by Cookie. “People aren’t so afraid to say, ‘Oh, jeez, I was in the woods now, or I was by the lake, and this thing came down.’”
But for a 65-year-old retired New York State Park Police officer from Granville, along the state border with Vermont — who asked not to be named because he worried about going public with his belief in U.F.O.s and extraterrestrial life — full acceptance still feels a ways off. The lingering fear of ridicule may be suppressing the true numbers of U.F.O. sightings, he suggested; there might in fact be more out there.
He urged city folks to stay calm should they see a U.F.O., just as he did one evening about 30 years ago, when, he said, he spotted a football-fields-long object floating beside the Taconic State Parkway as he finished a patrol shift. And most importantly, he said, people should not let fear of being mocked prevent them from reporting what they see.
If enough people report U.F.O.s when they see them, the retired officer added, the world will believe they are telling the truth.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/09/nyre ... 778d3e6de3
With skies lacking light pollution and most nights free, New Yorkers reported nearly twice as many mysterious sightings last year.
In the years since she says extraterrestrial beings took her from her suburban yard outside Rochester, N.Y., Virginia Stringfellow has kept her story mostly within a close-knit community of people who say they have also encountered U.F.O.s.
But over the past year, that pool has grown: Each of her monthly locals-only U.F.O. meet-ups average about five new people who believe they have seen a mysterious object in the sky — not including about 50 out-of-towners who have tried to join.
“I have to turn away people,” said Ms. Stringfellow, 75.
Sightings of unidentified objects in 2020 nearly doubled in New York from the previous year, to about 300, according to data compiled by the National U.F.O. Reporting Center. They also rose by about 1,000 nationwide, to more than 7,200 sightings.
But according to ufologists (pronounced “yoof-ologists”), as those who study the phenomena call themselves, the trend is not necessarily the result of an alien invasion. Rather, it was likely caused in part by another invader: the coronavirus.
Pushed to stay home by lockdown restrictions, many found themselves with more time to look up. In New York, droves of urbanites fleeing the virus took up residence in places like the Catskills and the Adirondacks, where skies are largely free from light pollution. About a quarter of the reports nationally came in March and April of last year, when lockdowns were at their most strict. Glimmers wobbling across the sky have gone viral on TikTok, racking up millions of views.
Longtime U.F.O. enthusiasts say the pandemic clearly has more people scanning the night skies. But there is another reason that the public might be newly receptive to the idea that the flicker on the horizon is worth reporting: The Pentagon revealed over the summer that it would soon convene a new task force to investigate so-called “unidentified aerial phenomena” observed from military aircraft. Last year, it declassified three videos of such sightings.
In addition, the $2.3 trillion appropriations package signed by former President Donald J. Trump late last year includes a provision that the secretary of defense and director of national intelligence collaborate on a U.F.O. report and release it to the public.
“It’s encouraging to many of us in the field of ufology that the government is willing to confirm that they are aware of these circumstances, that they are conceding that people are reporting these events,” said Peter Davenport, the director of the U.F.O. reporting center, known as NUFORC.
Previously, he said, the government appeared to have believed “that people like me are just crazy — and we’re not.”
Mr. Davenport and his peers are quick to point out that any uptick in sightings does not mean a spike in flying saucers. Unidentified flying objects are just that — airborne phenomena that have not yet been identified. The vast majority of sightings called in to the reporting center are swiftly determined to be things like birds, bats, satellites, planes and drones, he said.
A number of sightings in Northern Idaho last year were quickly identified as satellites launched by SpaceX, Elon Musk’s private space company, which launched a large number of small internet satellites that were temporarily visible from the ground after they reached orbit. One viral TikTok video of an object hovering in New Jersey last year turned out to be a Goodyear blimp.
“A skilled U.F.O. investigator is one of the most skeptical people around,” Mr. Davenport said.
Only a small fraction of reports scrutinized by NUFORC, which is based in Washington State, are truly not identifiable. That proportion has not changed even as more calls have poured in, according to the director.
Ufologists are frequently prickly when it comes to the subject of apparent increases in U.F.O. sightings, warning that bumps occur with regularity over the years, and are a favorite subject of news reports. The coverage itself may also drive up so-called sightings, they warn.
In New York, as city dwellers have tried to escape the virus by relocating to the countryside, they have driven up rural sightings, said Chris DePerno, the assistant director of the New York State branch of the Mutual U.F.O. Network, a nonprofit organization that uses civilian investigators to study reports of U.F.O.s.
Absent urban light pollution, he said, the transplants are taking new notice of the night sky and whatever may be in it.
“They come up toward the Hudson Valley, it’s beautiful up there, you get clear skies and then all of a sudden you see this thing zipping through the sky, that stopped on a dime, goes straight up, takes off again, stops, comes back — we’re talking incredible speeds,” said Mr. DePerno, a retired police detective.
“With the Covid thing, more people are looking up,” he said.
The seeming uptick in reports has come as a relief to some who say they’ve seen mysterious floating craft, but feared they were alone.
“Because of the Pentagon being outed, there is more news now, there is more reporting now,” said Ms. Stringfellow, who goes by Cookie. “People aren’t so afraid to say, ‘Oh, jeez, I was in the woods now, or I was by the lake, and this thing came down.’”
But for a 65-year-old retired New York State Park Police officer from Granville, along the state border with Vermont — who asked not to be named because he worried about going public with his belief in U.F.O.s and extraterrestrial life — full acceptance still feels a ways off. The lingering fear of ridicule may be suppressing the true numbers of U.F.O. sightings, he suggested; there might in fact be more out there.
He urged city folks to stay calm should they see a U.F.O., just as he did one evening about 30 years ago, when, he said, he spotted a football-fields-long object floating beside the Taconic State Parkway as he finished a patrol shift. And most importantly, he said, people should not let fear of being mocked prevent them from reporting what they see.
If enough people report U.F.O.s when they see them, the retired officer added, the world will believe they are telling the truth.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/09/nyre ... 778d3e6de3
I’m a Physicist Who Searches for Aliens. U.F.O.s Don’t Impress Me.
This month the TV news program “60 Minutes” ran a segment on recent sightings by Navy pilots of unidentified flying objects. The pilots’ accounts were bolstered by videos recorded by cameras onboard their planes that captured what the government now calls “unidentified aerial phenomena.”
In the wake of these enigmatic encounters, people are asking me what I think about U.F.O.s and aliens. They’re asking because I’m an astrophysicist who is involved in the search for extraterrestrial intelligence. My colleagues and I were recently awarded one of the first NASA grants to look for signs of advanced technology on planets outside our solar system. (I’ve argued in these pages that the 10 billion trillion habitable planets that we now believe exist in the universe make extraterrestrial civilizations far more likely.)
I understand that U.F.O. sightings, which date back at least to 1947, are synonymous in the popular imagination with evidence of extraterrestrials. But scientifically speaking, there is little to warrant that connection. There are excellent reasons to search for extraterrestrial life, but there are equally excellent reasons not to conclude that we have found evidence of it with U.F.O. sightings.
Let’s start with the Navy cases. Some of the pilots have told of seeing flying objects shaped like Tic Tacs or other unusual forms. The recordings from the planes’ cameras show amorphous shapes moving in surprising ways, including appearing to skim the ocean’s surface and then disappear beneath it. This might appear to be evidence of extraterrestrial technology that can defy the laws of physics as we understand them — but in reality it doesn’t amount to much.
For one thing, first-person accounts, which are notoriously inaccurate to begin with, don’t provide enough information for an empirical investigation. Scientists can’t accurately gauge distances or velocity from a pilot’s testimony: “It looked close” or “It was moving really fast” is too vague. What a scientist needs are precise measurements from multiple viewpoints provided by devices that register various wavelengths (visual, infrared, radar). That kind of data might tell us if an object’s motion required engines or materials that we Earthlings don’t possess.
Perhaps the videos offer that kind of data? Sadly, no. While some researchers have used the footage to make simple estimates of the accelerations and other flight characteristics of the U.F.O.s, the results have been mixed at best. Skeptics have already shown that some of the motions seen in the videos (like the ocean skimming) may be artifacts of the cameras’ optics and tracking systems.
There are also common-sense objections. If we are being frequently visited by aliens, why don’t they just land on the White House lawn and announce themselves? There is a recurring narrative, perhaps best exemplified by the TV show “The X-Files,” that these creatures have some mysterious reason to remain hidden from us. But if the mission of these aliens calls for stealth, they seem surprisingly incompetent. You would think that creatures technologically capable of traversing the mind-boggling distances between the stars would also know how to turn off their high beams at night and to elude our primitive infrared cameras.
Don’t get me wrong: I’ll read with great interest the U.S. intelligence report about U.F.O.s that is scheduled to be delivered to Congress in June; I believe that U.F.O. phenomena should be investigated using the best tools of science and with complete transparency.
But there may be more prosaic explanations. For example, it’s possible that U.F.O.s are drones deployed by rivals like Russia and China to examine our defenses — luring our pilots into turning on their radar and other detectors, thus revealing our electronic intelligence capacities. (The United States once used a similar strategy to test the sensitivities of Soviet radar systems.) This hypothesis might sound far-fetched, but it is less extreme than positing a visit from extraterrestrials.
What’s most frustrating about the U.F.O.s story is that it obscures the fact that scientists like me and my colleagues are on the threshold of gathering data that may be relevant to the existence of intelligent extraterrestrial life. But this evidence involves subtle findings about phenomena far away in the galaxy — not sensational findings just a few miles away in our own atmosphere.
Powerful telescopes that will soon be operational may be capable of detecting city lights on the night side of planets that orbit distant stars or the telltale mark of reflected light from planet-wide solar-collecting arrays or the distinctive sign of industrial chemicals in a planet’s atmosphere. All of these “technosignatures,” should we find evidence of them, will be small effects. If we do detect such things, you better believe that my colleagues and I will go to extraordinary lengths to eliminate every possible source of error and every possible alternative explanation. This will take time and careful effort.
The work of science, though ultimately exciting, is mostly painstakingly methodical and boring. But that is the price we pay because we don’t just want to believe. We want to know.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/30/opin ... 778d3e6de3
This month the TV news program “60 Minutes” ran a segment on recent sightings by Navy pilots of unidentified flying objects. The pilots’ accounts were bolstered by videos recorded by cameras onboard their planes that captured what the government now calls “unidentified aerial phenomena.”
In the wake of these enigmatic encounters, people are asking me what I think about U.F.O.s and aliens. They’re asking because I’m an astrophysicist who is involved in the search for extraterrestrial intelligence. My colleagues and I were recently awarded one of the first NASA grants to look for signs of advanced technology on planets outside our solar system. (I’ve argued in these pages that the 10 billion trillion habitable planets that we now believe exist in the universe make extraterrestrial civilizations far more likely.)
I understand that U.F.O. sightings, which date back at least to 1947, are synonymous in the popular imagination with evidence of extraterrestrials. But scientifically speaking, there is little to warrant that connection. There are excellent reasons to search for extraterrestrial life, but there are equally excellent reasons not to conclude that we have found evidence of it with U.F.O. sightings.
Let’s start with the Navy cases. Some of the pilots have told of seeing flying objects shaped like Tic Tacs or other unusual forms. The recordings from the planes’ cameras show amorphous shapes moving in surprising ways, including appearing to skim the ocean’s surface and then disappear beneath it. This might appear to be evidence of extraterrestrial technology that can defy the laws of physics as we understand them — but in reality it doesn’t amount to much.
For one thing, first-person accounts, which are notoriously inaccurate to begin with, don’t provide enough information for an empirical investigation. Scientists can’t accurately gauge distances or velocity from a pilot’s testimony: “It looked close” or “It was moving really fast” is too vague. What a scientist needs are precise measurements from multiple viewpoints provided by devices that register various wavelengths (visual, infrared, radar). That kind of data might tell us if an object’s motion required engines or materials that we Earthlings don’t possess.
Perhaps the videos offer that kind of data? Sadly, no. While some researchers have used the footage to make simple estimates of the accelerations and other flight characteristics of the U.F.O.s, the results have been mixed at best. Skeptics have already shown that some of the motions seen in the videos (like the ocean skimming) may be artifacts of the cameras’ optics and tracking systems.
There are also common-sense objections. If we are being frequently visited by aliens, why don’t they just land on the White House lawn and announce themselves? There is a recurring narrative, perhaps best exemplified by the TV show “The X-Files,” that these creatures have some mysterious reason to remain hidden from us. But if the mission of these aliens calls for stealth, they seem surprisingly incompetent. You would think that creatures technologically capable of traversing the mind-boggling distances between the stars would also know how to turn off their high beams at night and to elude our primitive infrared cameras.
Don’t get me wrong: I’ll read with great interest the U.S. intelligence report about U.F.O.s that is scheduled to be delivered to Congress in June; I believe that U.F.O. phenomena should be investigated using the best tools of science and with complete transparency.
But there may be more prosaic explanations. For example, it’s possible that U.F.O.s are drones deployed by rivals like Russia and China to examine our defenses — luring our pilots into turning on their radar and other detectors, thus revealing our electronic intelligence capacities. (The United States once used a similar strategy to test the sensitivities of Soviet radar systems.) This hypothesis might sound far-fetched, but it is less extreme than positing a visit from extraterrestrials.
What’s most frustrating about the U.F.O.s story is that it obscures the fact that scientists like me and my colleagues are on the threshold of gathering data that may be relevant to the existence of intelligent extraterrestrial life. But this evidence involves subtle findings about phenomena far away in the galaxy — not sensational findings just a few miles away in our own atmosphere.
Powerful telescopes that will soon be operational may be capable of detecting city lights on the night side of planets that orbit distant stars or the telltale mark of reflected light from planet-wide solar-collecting arrays or the distinctive sign of industrial chemicals in a planet’s atmosphere. All of these “technosignatures,” should we find evidence of them, will be small effects. If we do detect such things, you better believe that my colleagues and I will go to extraordinary lengths to eliminate every possible source of error and every possible alternative explanation. This will take time and careful effort.
The work of science, though ultimately exciting, is mostly painstakingly methodical and boring. But that is the price we pay because we don’t just want to believe. We want to know.
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No, but really. Should We Contact The Aliens
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With the U.S. government puzzling over U.F.O.s, and potentially habitable exoplanets in our telescopes, earthlings are closer than ever to finding other intelligent life in the universe. So the existential question is: Should we try to communicate with whatever we think might be out there?
That’s the argument this week between Douglas Vakoch and Michio Kaku. Vakoch, the president of the research and educational nonprofit METI (Messaging Extraterrestrial Intelligence) International, has dedicated his life’s work to intentionally broadcasting messages beyond our solar system.
Kaku, a professor of theoretical physics at the City College of New York and a co-founder of string field theory, thinks reaching out to unknown aliens is a catastrophically bad idea and “would be the biggest mistake in human history.”
Together, they join Jane Coaston to debate the question of making first contact and our place in the cosmos.
Listen to the podcast and read the transcript at:
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/21/opin ... 778d3e6de3
With the U.S. government puzzling over U.F.O.s, and potentially habitable exoplanets in our telescopes, earthlings are closer than ever to finding other intelligent life in the universe. So the existential question is: Should we try to communicate with whatever we think might be out there?
That’s the argument this week between Douglas Vakoch and Michio Kaku. Vakoch, the president of the research and educational nonprofit METI (Messaging Extraterrestrial Intelligence) International, has dedicated his life’s work to intentionally broadcasting messages beyond our solar system.
Kaku, a professor of theoretical physics at the City College of New York and a co-founder of string field theory, thinks reaching out to unknown aliens is a catastrophically bad idea and “would be the biggest mistake in human history.”
Together, they join Jane Coaston to debate the question of making first contact and our place in the cosmos.
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Aliens Are Real, U.S. Government Officials Have Admitted. ‘The Age of Disclosure’ Director Dan Farah Wants You to Know There’s More to the Story
Selome Hailu
Sun, March 9, 2025 at 4:56 PM CDT·
If you don’t believe in aliens yet, you’re behind.
The United States has been secretly working to capture UAPs — unidentified anomalous phenomena, the more formal term for UFOs — since as early as 1947, according to many high-ranking figures throughout the government, military and intelligence community. There is evidence and documentation of all kinds of findings that feel like the stuff of sci-fi: vehicles that appear to disobey the laws of physics, difficult-to-explain interference with American military activity and, indeed, the bodies of intelligent, nonhuman beings. Multiple species, at that.
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If you’re feeling overwhelmed by all that info, take a breath. Yes, there are 80 years of covered-up research to catch up on. But Dan Farah, director of the SXSW documentary “The Age of Disclosure,” has spent the last three years of his life interviewing as many involved sources as possible and compiling all of the most important information in an “attempt to make the most definitive, credible film on what can be legally disclosed” surrounding the topic, he says, to get people up to speed.
Legally is a keyword here. A massive amount of what has been discovered in the decades since the U.S. began studying nonhuman intelligence is still classified, meaning that many of Farah’s interviewees in the documentary know a lot more than they could share with him without breaking the law. At the same time, there’s a significant volume of information available to the public that just isn’t widely talked about, for reasons the documentary dives into. That’s why Farah decided to create a resource to make people aware of what he calls “the base facts”: “The fact that we’re not alone in the universe. The fact that there has been recovery of technology of nonhuman origin. The fact that other nations are also recovering this technology, and that we are in a race to reverse-engineer this technology.”
That race is a large part of why certain information remains classified and is considered by the government to be unsafe to disclose — anything shared with the American people is also shared with the rest of the world. “I certainly didn’t think about it at first. I was like, ‘If this stuff exists, why aren’t they telling us?'” Farah says. “And then I learned the answer: There’s all this good stuff that could come out of it, but this technology could also be used by bad actors to cause significant destruction.” The documentary singles out China and Russia in particular as adversaries in the competition to study UAPs.
At the same time, key figures believe that the government has taken an antiquated approach to the disclosure of information about UAPs. The key voices in “The Age of Disclosure” are Jay Stratton, former Defense Intelligence Agency official and director of the government’s UAP Task Force, and Lue Elizondo, a former Department of Defense official and member of the government’s Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP). Both have dedicated nearly two decades to navigating highly secret avenues of government to figure out as much as possible about UAPs and disseminate everything that isn’t classified. What they say they’ve learned, along with actual evidence of nonhuman beings and technology, is that the cover-up around the topic has been misguided and deadly.
Stratton and Elizondo believe the stigma around aliens and UFOs to be a national security threat leaves Americans woefully unprepared for developments that could change the trajectory of humanity. And beyond that, Elizondo claims to have heard about high-ranking intelligence officials who have considered killing him to stop his disclosure efforts, which began in 2017 when he resigned from the Pentagon to protest UAP-related secrecy and speak to the media in order to pressure Congress to take the issue more seriously.
Farah ran into others with similar fears while filming “The Age of Disclosure.” Though 34 people with direct knowledge about UAPs appear in his finished film, he says he met with about 10 more who agreed to have conversations with him but ultimately declined to be filmed.
“Some high level politicians were afraid of how it might taint their reputation or impact them politically,” he says. “And some intelligence officials legitimately believed that their lives would be in danger if they participated in the film. After long conversations with their significant others, they decided it just wasn’t worth it. That was eye-opening for me. The more you go down the rabbit hole, it becomes clear really fast that this 80-year cover-up of the truth has been enforced with threats.”
Elizondo’s media campaign has led to the crumbling of the cover-up that gives “The Age of Disclosure” its title. It’s the reason the documentary focuses as much on the mechanics of the government cover-up as it does the UAPs themselves. “I realized from my conversations with Jay and Lue,” Farah says, “that it is not a question of whether it’s real. It’s a question of what our country should be doing about it.”
That isn’t to say that “The Age of Disclosure” doesn’t take time to show you just how real UAPs are. Among the mind-boggling findings presented is that UAPs have apparently activated and deactivated manmade nuclear weapons. They have also been observed to move and accelerate at rates that seem impossible, going from complete stillness to disappearing over the horizon instantaneously, and without the combustion that manmade vehicles rely on. The crafts have been observed to travel within clear spheres, and scientists now believe that space and time function differently inside those bubbles. That’s how these beings would be able to survive moving at tens of thousands of miles per hour: inside the bubble, those speeds would feel normal. Intense internal scarring and multiple deaths have been recorded among people who have gotten in close proximity to those bubbles. It’s like standing under a jet mid-takeoff, but exponentially more powerful, as the energy it takes a UAP to move so quickly would require 100 times the amount of power the United States generates in a single day.
So there’s a lot to fear here. But “The Age of Disclosure” also gives reasons to hope. There’s the fact that humanity has yet to be destroyed when it seems that these lifeforms certainly could have pulled that off by now if they wanted to. And interestingly, UAP research has also been considered a humanitarian and environmental cause. If humans manage to harness the clean, combustion-free energy source that UAPs are using, we could eliminate the need for the fossil fuels that are causing climate change.
“There’s an analogy that several interview subjects said to me: Would we have won the space race if the president hadn’t stepped to the mic and said, ‘We’re gonna go to the moon?’ Probably not,” Farah says. “If people don’t know something’s real, how are they gonna choose to spend their brain power on it? There’s a lot of genius scientists out there who are putting their brain power towards saving the environment, right? What if no one knew global warming was a thing? Would those people be putting their brain power towards it?”
When asked about the impact he wants “The Age of Disclosure” to have, Farah points to something Elizondo says at the end of the documentary. “He says he wishes he could share more, but that he feels tremendous pressure to share what he can now, because he knows there will come a time when people will wish they knew the truth sooner,” Farah says. The fact that people still don’t believe in nonhuman is “a barrier to entry for any bright young mind in our country that could be contributing on this front.” In other words, getting the right information in the right hands is a matter of urgency.
And on top of that, as Elizondo emphasizes repeatedly in the film, there’s the idea that fundamental truths about our universe should belong to everyone, not just one organization or government. Humanity has wondered about other worlds for ages — just take a look at the art we create.
“What got me into the topic is what probably got a lot of people my age in the topic: I’m a child of the ’80s and ’90s, and I grew up with movies like ‘E.T.’ and ‘Close Encounters,'” Farah says. “The power of those two movies probably put me on the path to this film more than anything.”
He’s far from the only civilian on that path. The trailer for “The Age of Disclosure” reached tens of millions of views as soon as it was released, and the film nabbed a coveted premiere slot at the Paramount Theater in Austin, Texas — the biggest venue at SXSW. That alone is a landmark for the movement around disclosure: the topic needs eyes.
“The more I talk to leaders in government, the more I realize that they only pay attention to what the public wants them to pay attention to,” Farah says. “You have people in government who want to pay attention to this, but they need the public to be caught up. The film is just the tip of the iceberg. There are currently bipartisan efforts that will bring about more disclosure and declassify certain information, and I think this film will help get those laws passed.”
And what happens after that? For now, that’s classified.
https://currently.att.yahoo.com/news/al ... 04190.html
Selome Hailu
Sun, March 9, 2025 at 4:56 PM CDT·
If you don’t believe in aliens yet, you’re behind.
The United States has been secretly working to capture UAPs — unidentified anomalous phenomena, the more formal term for UFOs — since as early as 1947, according to many high-ranking figures throughout the government, military and intelligence community. There is evidence and documentation of all kinds of findings that feel like the stuff of sci-fi: vehicles that appear to disobey the laws of physics, difficult-to-explain interference with American military activity and, indeed, the bodies of intelligent, nonhuman beings. Multiple species, at that.
More from Variety
'Forge' Review: Jing Ai Ng Puts a Fresh Coat of Paint on a Satisfying Crime Caper
'Holland' Director Mimi Cave on Working With Nicole Kidman and Keeping Audiences Guessing: 'Hopefully, You Don't Know Who to Believe'
Ramy Youssef First Pitched Muslim-American Comedy '#1 Happy Family USA' in 2020, Isn't Sure It'd Get Picked Up Today: 'Remember Happy Trump?'
If you’re feeling overwhelmed by all that info, take a breath. Yes, there are 80 years of covered-up research to catch up on. But Dan Farah, director of the SXSW documentary “The Age of Disclosure,” has spent the last three years of his life interviewing as many involved sources as possible and compiling all of the most important information in an “attempt to make the most definitive, credible film on what can be legally disclosed” surrounding the topic, he says, to get people up to speed.
Legally is a keyword here. A massive amount of what has been discovered in the decades since the U.S. began studying nonhuman intelligence is still classified, meaning that many of Farah’s interviewees in the documentary know a lot more than they could share with him without breaking the law. At the same time, there’s a significant volume of information available to the public that just isn’t widely talked about, for reasons the documentary dives into. That’s why Farah decided to create a resource to make people aware of what he calls “the base facts”: “The fact that we’re not alone in the universe. The fact that there has been recovery of technology of nonhuman origin. The fact that other nations are also recovering this technology, and that we are in a race to reverse-engineer this technology.”
That race is a large part of why certain information remains classified and is considered by the government to be unsafe to disclose — anything shared with the American people is also shared with the rest of the world. “I certainly didn’t think about it at first. I was like, ‘If this stuff exists, why aren’t they telling us?'” Farah says. “And then I learned the answer: There’s all this good stuff that could come out of it, but this technology could also be used by bad actors to cause significant destruction.” The documentary singles out China and Russia in particular as adversaries in the competition to study UAPs.
At the same time, key figures believe that the government has taken an antiquated approach to the disclosure of information about UAPs. The key voices in “The Age of Disclosure” are Jay Stratton, former Defense Intelligence Agency official and director of the government’s UAP Task Force, and Lue Elizondo, a former Department of Defense official and member of the government’s Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP). Both have dedicated nearly two decades to navigating highly secret avenues of government to figure out as much as possible about UAPs and disseminate everything that isn’t classified. What they say they’ve learned, along with actual evidence of nonhuman beings and technology, is that the cover-up around the topic has been misguided and deadly.
Stratton and Elizondo believe the stigma around aliens and UFOs to be a national security threat leaves Americans woefully unprepared for developments that could change the trajectory of humanity. And beyond that, Elizondo claims to have heard about high-ranking intelligence officials who have considered killing him to stop his disclosure efforts, which began in 2017 when he resigned from the Pentagon to protest UAP-related secrecy and speak to the media in order to pressure Congress to take the issue more seriously.
Farah ran into others with similar fears while filming “The Age of Disclosure.” Though 34 people with direct knowledge about UAPs appear in his finished film, he says he met with about 10 more who agreed to have conversations with him but ultimately declined to be filmed.
“Some high level politicians were afraid of how it might taint their reputation or impact them politically,” he says. “And some intelligence officials legitimately believed that their lives would be in danger if they participated in the film. After long conversations with their significant others, they decided it just wasn’t worth it. That was eye-opening for me. The more you go down the rabbit hole, it becomes clear really fast that this 80-year cover-up of the truth has been enforced with threats.”
Elizondo’s media campaign has led to the crumbling of the cover-up that gives “The Age of Disclosure” its title. It’s the reason the documentary focuses as much on the mechanics of the government cover-up as it does the UAPs themselves. “I realized from my conversations with Jay and Lue,” Farah says, “that it is not a question of whether it’s real. It’s a question of what our country should be doing about it.”
That isn’t to say that “The Age of Disclosure” doesn’t take time to show you just how real UAPs are. Among the mind-boggling findings presented is that UAPs have apparently activated and deactivated manmade nuclear weapons. They have also been observed to move and accelerate at rates that seem impossible, going from complete stillness to disappearing over the horizon instantaneously, and without the combustion that manmade vehicles rely on. The crafts have been observed to travel within clear spheres, and scientists now believe that space and time function differently inside those bubbles. That’s how these beings would be able to survive moving at tens of thousands of miles per hour: inside the bubble, those speeds would feel normal. Intense internal scarring and multiple deaths have been recorded among people who have gotten in close proximity to those bubbles. It’s like standing under a jet mid-takeoff, but exponentially more powerful, as the energy it takes a UAP to move so quickly would require 100 times the amount of power the United States generates in a single day.
So there’s a lot to fear here. But “The Age of Disclosure” also gives reasons to hope. There’s the fact that humanity has yet to be destroyed when it seems that these lifeforms certainly could have pulled that off by now if they wanted to. And interestingly, UAP research has also been considered a humanitarian and environmental cause. If humans manage to harness the clean, combustion-free energy source that UAPs are using, we could eliminate the need for the fossil fuels that are causing climate change.
“There’s an analogy that several interview subjects said to me: Would we have won the space race if the president hadn’t stepped to the mic and said, ‘We’re gonna go to the moon?’ Probably not,” Farah says. “If people don’t know something’s real, how are they gonna choose to spend their brain power on it? There’s a lot of genius scientists out there who are putting their brain power towards saving the environment, right? What if no one knew global warming was a thing? Would those people be putting their brain power towards it?”
When asked about the impact he wants “The Age of Disclosure” to have, Farah points to something Elizondo says at the end of the documentary. “He says he wishes he could share more, but that he feels tremendous pressure to share what he can now, because he knows there will come a time when people will wish they knew the truth sooner,” Farah says. The fact that people still don’t believe in nonhuman is “a barrier to entry for any bright young mind in our country that could be contributing on this front.” In other words, getting the right information in the right hands is a matter of urgency.
And on top of that, as Elizondo emphasizes repeatedly in the film, there’s the idea that fundamental truths about our universe should belong to everyone, not just one organization or government. Humanity has wondered about other worlds for ages — just take a look at the art we create.
“What got me into the topic is what probably got a lot of people my age in the topic: I’m a child of the ’80s and ’90s, and I grew up with movies like ‘E.T.’ and ‘Close Encounters,'” Farah says. “The power of those two movies probably put me on the path to this film more than anything.”
He’s far from the only civilian on that path. The trailer for “The Age of Disclosure” reached tens of millions of views as soon as it was released, and the film nabbed a coveted premiere slot at the Paramount Theater in Austin, Texas — the biggest venue at SXSW. That alone is a landmark for the movement around disclosure: the topic needs eyes.
“The more I talk to leaders in government, the more I realize that they only pay attention to what the public wants them to pay attention to,” Farah says. “You have people in government who want to pay attention to this, but they need the public to be caught up. The film is just the tip of the iceberg. There are currently bipartisan efforts that will bring about more disclosure and declassify certain information, and I think this film will help get those laws passed.”
And what happens after that? For now, that’s classified.
https://currently.att.yahoo.com/news/al ... 04190.html