Hazar Imam did not say that the gift should be returned to each one of you but he said it should be returned in each of your lives
If this is not about multiplicity of one's life what was that? Those with audio tapes, please check
Reincarnation in Islam
I think it is the correct place to post. The thread is about reincarnation and our many lives and so is this latest Nairobi Farman.
Hazar Imam did not say that the gift should be returned to each one of you but he said it should be returned in each of your lives
If this is not about multiplicity of one's life what was that? Those with audio tapes, please check
Hazar Imam did not say that the gift should be returned to each one of you but he said it should be returned in each of your lives
If this is not about multiplicity of one's life what was that? Those with audio tapes, please check
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shivaathervedi2
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The ultra-wealthy are ready to spend huge amounts of cash to have their brains frozen after their death in the hope of being re-born in the future.
Deep-pocketed citizens are reportedly paying $100,000 for cryogenic preservation of their brains in liquid. The service is being provided by the Arizona-based Alcor Life Extension Foundation.
The company is led by Bristol-born scientist Dr Max More and his team of eight people. Alcor has some 1,000 paying members on the book, with some of them paying more than $250,000 for full-body preservation instead of freezing just the brain. The full-body freezing involves hanging upside down in steel cylinders.
“I know that a lot of people will think I’m daft, but why not give it a try? Nothing ventured, nothing gained. I don’t have any children and I’m not married and at my age that’s unlikely to change,” a businessman in his late 60s, who asked to be identified only as ‘David,’ said in an interview with the Daily Star. “I thought I'd invest a bit of money in this and I may wake up in 200 or 2,000 years’ time and be able to experience a whole new life.”
According to Alcor’s website, the company expects surgeons in the future to be able to grow an entire new body around a repaired brain. However, removing a brain from the skull involves unavoidable damage, so the specialists leave the organ protected inside the head during preservation and storage.
The company starts operating only when a client’s death is officially declared. Alcor’s technicians pack the body in ice while attaching a “heart-lung resuscitator” to get the blood circulating. After that, 16 different medications are administered to protect the cells from crystalizing.
Alcors says it currently keeps 149 dead “patients” at its facility, including US baseball legend Ted Williams. The company has also preserved Matheryn Naovaratpong, who died at the age of two and became the youngest person ever to be crystalized.
RT's business section
Deep-pocketed citizens are reportedly paying $100,000 for cryogenic preservation of their brains in liquid. The service is being provided by the Arizona-based Alcor Life Extension Foundation.
The company is led by Bristol-born scientist Dr Max More and his team of eight people. Alcor has some 1,000 paying members on the book, with some of them paying more than $250,000 for full-body preservation instead of freezing just the brain. The full-body freezing involves hanging upside down in steel cylinders.
“I know that a lot of people will think I’m daft, but why not give it a try? Nothing ventured, nothing gained. I don’t have any children and I’m not married and at my age that’s unlikely to change,” a businessman in his late 60s, who asked to be identified only as ‘David,’ said in an interview with the Daily Star. “I thought I'd invest a bit of money in this and I may wake up in 200 or 2,000 years’ time and be able to experience a whole new life.”
According to Alcor’s website, the company expects surgeons in the future to be able to grow an entire new body around a repaired brain. However, removing a brain from the skull involves unavoidable damage, so the specialists leave the organ protected inside the head during preservation and storage.
The company starts operating only when a client’s death is officially declared. Alcor’s technicians pack the body in ice while attaching a “heart-lung resuscitator” to get the blood circulating. After that, 16 different medications are administered to protect the cells from crystalizing.
Alcors says it currently keeps 149 dead “patients” at its facility, including US baseball legend Ted Williams. The company has also preserved Matheryn Naovaratpong, who died at the age of two and became the youngest person ever to be crystalized.
RT's business section
What if We’re All Coming Back?
The prospect of being reborn as a poor person in a world ravaged by climate change could lead us to very different political decisions.
I can’t say that I believe in reincarnation, but I understand why some people do. In fact, I had a bizarre experience as a teenager that made me wonder if I had known someone in a past life.
I was walking to school one day, lost in thought. I turned the corner onto a wide, tree-lined street and noticed a man on the other side heading my direction. For an instant, we held each other’s gaze and a startling wave of excitement and recognition washed over me. We spontaneously ran toward each other, as if to embrace a long-lost friend, relative or lover. But just as we were close enough to see the other’s face, we were both jolted by the awareness that we didn’t actually know each other.
We stood in the middle of the street, bewildered. I mumbled, “I’m so sorry — I thought I knew you.” Equally embarrassed, he replied: “Oh, my God, this is so strange. What’s happening right now?” We backed away awkwardly — me, a teenage black girl; he, a middle-aged white man. I never saw him again.
The incident shook me deeply. This was not a case of mistaken identity. Something profound and mysterious happened and we both knew it. Still, I’m not among the 33 percent of Americans (including 29 percent of Christians) who believe in reincarnation. Lately, though, I’ve been thinking that if more of us did believe we were coming back, it could change everything.
More...
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/29/opin ... dline&te=1
The prospect of being reborn as a poor person in a world ravaged by climate change could lead us to very different political decisions.
I can’t say that I believe in reincarnation, but I understand why some people do. In fact, I had a bizarre experience as a teenager that made me wonder if I had known someone in a past life.
I was walking to school one day, lost in thought. I turned the corner onto a wide, tree-lined street and noticed a man on the other side heading my direction. For an instant, we held each other’s gaze and a startling wave of excitement and recognition washed over me. We spontaneously ran toward each other, as if to embrace a long-lost friend, relative or lover. But just as we were close enough to see the other’s face, we were both jolted by the awareness that we didn’t actually know each other.
We stood in the middle of the street, bewildered. I mumbled, “I’m so sorry — I thought I knew you.” Equally embarrassed, he replied: “Oh, my God, this is so strange. What’s happening right now?” We backed away awkwardly — me, a teenage black girl; he, a middle-aged white man. I never saw him again.
The incident shook me deeply. This was not a case of mistaken identity. Something profound and mysterious happened and we both knew it. Still, I’m not among the 33 percent of Americans (including 29 percent of Christians) who believe in reincarnation. Lately, though, I’ve been thinking that if more of us did believe we were coming back, it could change everything.
More...
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/29/opin ... dline&te=1
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shivatrivedi
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satgur kahere: ujad kheddaa to feer vase
ane neerdhanee-aa dhanvant hoy
pan(n) ek acha(n)bo aa(n)khee-e
bhaai muvaa na jeeve koi re.....................75
The True Guide says: The deserted village will rehabitate and the poor will become rich. However, there is one astonishing sight. Brother, nobody can come to life(physical) after dying.
ane neerdhanee-aa dhanvant hoy
pan(n) ek acha(n)bo aa(n)khee-e
bhaai muvaa na jeeve koi re.....................75
The True Guide says: The deserted village will rehabitate and the poor will become rich. However, there is one astonishing sight. Brother, nobody can come to life(physical) after dying.
Welcome back Mazarshah or whoever you are.
ejee nur sat-gur bolea veenatee,
saa(n)bhalo gat jamaath jee;
daso(n)d dejo apannaa gur-mukhe,
to utaraso paele paar;
saachee sukareet laeene chaalajo,
nahee(n) to paddaso lakh choraasee maa(n)e jee...............5
Nur Satgur has uttered this entreaty, so listen, o community and congregation! If you pay the tithe to your Guide, you will be delivered across to the other side. Go forth with true good deeds, for otherwise you will fall into the eighty-four lakhs cycles.
ejee nur sat-gur bolea veenatee,
saa(n)bhalo gat jamaath jee;
daso(n)d dejo apannaa gur-mukhe,
to utaraso paele paar;
saachee sukareet laeene chaalajo,
nahee(n) to paddaso lakh choraasee maa(n)e jee...............5
Nur Satgur has uttered this entreaty, so listen, o community and congregation! If you pay the tithe to your Guide, you will be delivered across to the other side. Go forth with true good deeds, for otherwise you will fall into the eighty-four lakhs cycles.
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shivatrivedi
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You quoted Ginan part of Pir Sat Gurnur above, and I quoted following Ginan part of Pir Sadardin from Saloko Nano:kmaherali wrote:Welcome back Mazarshah or whoever you are.
ejee nur sat-gur bolea veenatee,
saa(n)bhalo gat jamaath jee;
daso(n)d dejo apannaa gur-mukhe,
to utaraso paele paar;
saachee sukareet laeene chaalajo,
nahee(n) to paddaso lakh choraasee maa(n)e jee...............5
Nur Satgur has uttered this entreaty, so listen, o community and congregation! If you pay the tithe to your Guide, you will be delivered across to the other side. Go forth with true good deeds, for otherwise you will fall into the eighty-four lakhs cycles.
satgur kahere: ujad kheddaa to feer vase
ane neerdhanee-aa dhanvant hoy
pan(n) ek acha(n)bo aa(n)khee-e
bhaai muvaa na jeeve koi re.....................75
The True Guide says: The deserted village will rehabitate and the poor will become rich. However, there is one astonishing sight. Brother, nobody can come to life(physical) after dying.
There is obvious contradiction in both parts, which is correct philosophy?
I don't see any conflict. The Sloko verse that you pointed out refers to the conditions of this life i.e, deserted village, the rich and the poor. Hence no life after death can only mean a person cannot get back to this life after death. It does not apply to the hereafter.shivatrivedi wrote:There is obvious contradiction in both parts, which is correct philosophy?
If you say that there is no rebirth after death, you are also denying rebirth in higher spheres that MSMS has referred to.
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shivatrivedi
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As usual you twisted the meaning and explanation.kmaherali wrote:I don't see any conflict. The Sloko verse that you pointed out refers to the conditions of this life i.e, deserted village, the rich and the poor. Hence no life after death can only mean a person cannot get back to this life after death. It does not apply to the hereafter.shivatrivedi wrote:There is obvious contradiction in both parts, which is correct philosophy?
If you say that there is no rebirth after death, you are also denying rebirth in higher spheres that MSMS has referred to.
satgur kahere: ujad kheddaa to feer vase
ane neerdhanee-aa dhanvant hoy
pan(n) ek acha(n)bo aa(n)khee-e
bhaai muvaa na jeeve koi re
The True Guide says: The deserted village will rehabitate and the poor will become rich. However, there is one astonishing sight. Brother, nobody can come to life(physical) after dying.
In the above Ginan Pir Sadardin has argued that a deserted village can be rehabitated, and it is possible that a poor can become rich but contrary a dead person can not come to life, it is THE END for physical life.
MSMS has said elevation of soul in higher spheres, a soul can not take rebirth. Soul created will stay as it is.
MSMS used the word "rebirth". Check the message yourself. The soul remains the same but it assumes different forms. There is a Ginan verse stating:shivatrivedi wrote:MSMS has said elevation of soul in higher spheres, a soul can not take rebirth. Soul created will stay as it is.
Jirevala Janamo janamo ni dohagann hoti
Meaning:
Births after births I have been unmarried..
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shivatrivedi
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Your reference of single Ginan line is not a proof of reincarnation or rebirth. You have habit of taking a sentence from here and there out of context to prove your point. You have not given complete part of Ginan, name of Pir/Syed, in what context or back ground the line stands for. The word used is DUHAGAN, its opposite comes SUHAGAN. It is common in subcontinent poetry, the sufi poets have introduced themselves as a woman or a wife to please lover or murshid to be near to him. Janamo janamo.... in Urdu poetry is used janam janam ki piyasi, this does not mean rebirths. It is a kind of metaphor.kmaherali wrote:MSMS used the word "rebirth". Check the message yourself. The soul remains the same but it assumes different forms. There is a Ginan verse stating:shivatrivedi wrote:MSMS has said elevation of soul in higher spheres, a soul can not take rebirth. Soul created will stay as it is.
Jirevala Janamo janamo ni dohagann hoti
Meaning:
Births after births I have been unmarried..
For rebirth and reincarnation, please read again the explanation given to count Paro, African study circle in this thread.
I think it would be best to agree to disagree on this matter. There is diversity in our tariqah so let that be the case. It seems we are just repeating the arguments over and over.shivatrivedi wrote:For rebirth and reincarnation, please read again the explanation given to count Paro, African study circle in this thread.