pirs are the noor-e-muhammed but what about pir pandiyat

[Admin]

Pir Shah Karim is Pir because Mowlana Sultan Muhammad Shah pointed to us that he is the Pir. We shall call him whatever we are told to.

If in the mind of some Pir is a small title so be it. Some also think Imam is a little title because there are thousands of "Imams" in masjids but this is not what we mean by "Imam" and "Pir" in Ismailism. The same goes for "Mawlana". Tough we do say "Mowlana" Rumi, we do not consider him our Imam, it is just for the sake of the way he is called.

[star_munir]

Well Mr.

with your good education and knowledge about history and Farmans or Hazir Imam why do not you provide references to the following question, instead attacking others or recomending others to read history that may not have solid base

have not these pirs created division between Jamat and created their own parties?

Does Allah in the Quran and Imam e Zaman (49th Imam) through his farameen proves this notion of pirs?

Old Dua you refer to is not valid and expired.

MSM's farmans you mention make sure you get the fact right, come up with the place and exact date (authentic farmans) not fabrication

cool down welcome to the diversity of thought and new era, but this is only encouters, do not be emotional

Old dua was recited from the time of Imam Islam Shah till the time of Imam Sultan Mohamed Shah. Although, now there is new Dua but you can't deny the significance of old dua which was recited by the Ismailis for centuries. Do you mean to say for centuries ismailis were reciting dua with invalid info?..
And just to add..do you know certain parts of Old dua, are still (in 2013) recited and said by all of us, as part of different ceremonies in JK.

[star_munir]

Dear All, lets quickly reflect on our community today and will see many different traditions across the globe, now, our believed Imams based on the circumstances of the time appointed some individuals to start the Dawa, those individuals are such us Sudrudin, Kabiruddin, Nasir Khusrow, Hamiduddin Kirmani, Abu Yaqub As Sijistani and so on, in fact we know them as Pirs or Daeis, the time of Imam Mustansir Billah the II he produced a book named Pir Pandiyat Jawanmardi, the question is why this book as pir?

Well there are many myths and stories that one can come up with, but the reality is these individuals who we know and believe in them as pirs and say that Noor e Muhammad (PBH) is in them which may take us in the wrong direction, the question is why our Jamat is so different in the practice of their faith, in their rites and rituals in Jamat Khana, in their Majalis, in their form of practice in Jamat Khanas today, who did this to us? Who thought us to be different? How this happened? Are these Pirs responsible for all these divisions?

Well, one can easily think and say there had been a huge problem in the Jamat in the time of Imam Mustansir Billah the II and before, have not these pirs created division between Jamat and created their own parties? therefore Imam released the book and closed the notion of pirs
One can wonder why the Jamat still holding the old baggage while we have the present Imam who guides us in every steps and we do not listen carefully, for us should only be the Quran and the Imam.

This baseless theory is perhaps found only in Farhad Daftary's history book that Imam had to control the notion of Piratan and therefore did not send any Pir after Pir Tajdin's death...But it is incorrect.
If you read authentic history, in almost all books you will find that Imam was unhappy because Jamat had blamed Pir Tajdin. Because of grief he passed away. When jamat realized the mistake, some of the people went to Imam and begged forgiveness. Then Imam gave Farman book of Pir Pandyat Jawanmardi. Now, if you will read the book Pir Pandyat Jawant mardi, the notion of Piratan and its importance is very well explained in it, as admin said.