Facing Kaba'a

[mazharshah1]

Yes, Avtars came in disguise of different names in yugas.

You mean that the Imam could call himself Karim one day and mazhar the following day?

Hazar Imam Shah Karim is Mazhar of Allah.

[kmaherali]

Hazar Imam Shah Karim is Mazhar of Allah.

That means he doesn't call himself one name today and another name tomorrow. Is that right?

[mazharshah1]

Hazar Imam Shah Karim is Mazhar of Allah.

That means he doesn't call himself one name today and another name tomorrow. Is that right?

In 6th part of Du'a we recite 48 different names of Ali ( two comes twice).

[kmaherali]

In 6th part of Du'a we recite 48 different names of Ali ( two comes twice).

48 names represent different Imams in different contexts. I ask you again does the present Imam call himself Karim today, Peter tomorrow and John the day after like you do?

[mazharshah1]

In 6th part of Du'a we recite 48 different names of Ali ( two comes twice).

48 names represent different Imams in different contexts. I ask you again does the present Imam call himself Karim today, Peter tomorrow and John the day after like you do?

Ismailis believe all Imams are Ali. So Noor e Ali is one but has different names in different eras. like in 4 Jugs he adopted various names. The last but not the least is Naklanki.
We Ismailis call or remember Imam with various names as, Ali, Shah Karim, Hazar Imam, PirShah, Pir Karim, Saheb e Zaman, Ulil Amr, Dhani Salamat, Sahebul Asr, Nijatul mou'mineen wal mou'minaat and so on.

Regarding myself, I was unknown, when became known adopted various names.
MON KEESTAM, MON KEESTAM
HANUZ DAR TAHIYUR MANDAH UM
MON KEESTAM

[kmaherali]

Ismailis believe all Imams are Ali. So Noor e Ali is one but has different names in different eras. like in 4 Jugs he adopted various names. The last but not the least is Naklanki.
We Ismailis call or remember Imam with various names as, Ali, Shah Karim, Hazar Imam, PirShah, Pir Karim, Saheb e Zaman, Ulil Amr, Dhani Salamat, Sahebul Asr, Nijatul mou'mineen wal mou'minaat and so on.

Regarding myself, I was unknown, when became known adopted various names.
MON KEESTAM, MON KEESTAM
HANUZ DAR TAHIYUR MANDAH UM
MON KEESTAM

Clever! You have to distinguish titles from the names. By what titles he is known or called is different than calling himself different names as you say you do. Hence the Imam is not your role model as you say.

[mazharshah1]

Ismailis believe all Imams are Ali. So Noor e Ali is one but has different names in different eras. like in 4 Jugs he adopted various names. The last but not the least is Naklanki.
We Ismailis call or remember Imam with various names as, Ali, Shah Karim, Hazar Imam, PirShah, Pir Karim, Saheb e Zaman, Ulil Amr, Dhani Salamat, Sahebul Asr, Nijatul mou'mineen wal mou'minaat and so on.

Regarding myself, I was unknown, when became known adopted various names.
MON KEESTAM, MON KEESTAM
HANUZ DAR TAHIYUR MANDAH UM
MON KEESTAM

Clever! You have to distinguish titles from the names. By what titles he is known or called is different than calling himself different names as you say you do. Hence the Imam is not your role model as you say.

Hazar Imam is a role model. Look, what Deborah Yedlin chancellor of Calgary University said about Hazar Imam. She said," Aga Khan a MODEL for us all".
When world dignitaries say Imam is role model, why are we shying to accept him a role model.

[kmaherali]

Hazar Imam is a role model. Look, what Deborah Yedlin chancellor of Calgary University said about Hazar Imam. She said," Aga Khan a MODEL for us all".
When world dignitaries say Imam is role model, why are we shying to accept him a role model.

I was just pointing out that he is at least not your role model because you do not follow his example.

But more generally he cannot be our model because for us he is born pure and does not need further purification and his role is unique as a guide. We on the other hand need to purify ourselves and hence we have different roles to play

[mazharshah1]

Hazar Imam is a role model. Look, what Deborah Yedlin chancellor of Calgary University said about Hazar Imam. She said," Aga Khan a MODEL for us all".
When world dignitaries say Imam is role model, why are we shying to accept him a role model.

I was just pointing out that he is at least not your role model because you do not follow his example.

But more generally he cannot be our model because for us he is born pure and does not need further purification and his role is unique as a guide. We on the other hand need to purify ourselves and hence we have different roles to play

Am I so worthy that Imam will adopt my model!! I am nothing.
Imam was born pure as you wrote, therefore he can't be God according to LUM YALID WA LUM YULAD. He who is born can't be God. I know you will play NOOR NOOR record.
Yes Ismailis follow the pure model so that they should be purified.

[kmaherali]

Am I so worthy that Imam will adopt my model!! I am nothing. Imam was born pure as you wrote, therefore he can't be God according to LUM YALID WA LUM YULAD. He who is born can't be God. I know you will play NOOR NOOR record.
Yes Ismailis follow the pure model so that they should be purified.

I am pointing out to you that he is not your role model because he does not change his name to hide his identity like you do.

I have never suggested you to be worthy of being a role model.

[shivatrivedi]

kmaherali wrote:
I am pointing out to you that he is not your role model because he does not change his name to hide his identity like you do.
I have never suggested you to be worthy of being a role model.[/quote]

Reply:

MON AANEM KE MON DANEM. I know what I am.
Never claimed to be a role model, though in future few will adopt my role model on Heritage. (my replacement)
Dus Avtars have Dus (ten) different names and Shiva has 108 attribute names. From Ali to Karim all Imams have different names except 2.