Authority & Nur (light), of Imam in Quran & Farmans

[kmaherali]

Swami: Please name the books.

There is no book written on it so far. I may write one! However anyone who has studied the Ginans will find appropriate Ginanic terms mentioned in Dua. There a book on Quran and Ginans by Alwaez Kamaluddin which highlights the common and shared concepts.
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Swami: But still the frame work of Preamble was explained to jamaits by seasoned missionaries!!

As I said, I did not hear it!

Swami: Yes Dua is means of communication, but still some main fundamental terms are missing in Dua.

And therefore Dua cannot be used to understand our faith as you stated earlier

[swamidada786]

Shariat is first step to achieve final goal.

PAHLI MANO SHARIAT, TARIQAT AUR HAQIQAT
MA'ARAFAT KO MON MEIN MAAR

Becoming a murid, there is an underlying aspiration for Marifat stage. A murid does not remain at a Shariati level as you have implied by stating that they are kindergartens.

Dua, Dasond, Majalis, Eid Namaz, Janaza Namaz, Ziarat, Nikah are Shariati practices. Stop practicing these and jump directly into ocean of Ma'rifat, save time. Religious Kindergartens start at lower level that is Shariat.

[swamidada786]

"In 1964 during the visit of Imam in Pakistan, he summond a meeting of all presidents of Ismailia Associations.
In that meeting the president of Tanganika Association Rai Shamsuddin Tejpar asked Hazar Imam about ALI ALLAH AND ALIYULLA.
Hazar Imam said; Farman on that was very clear from my Grand Father. It was not Ali Allah but it was Aliyullah. which has different meaning, which means Ali is from Allah. Donn't confuse it, this means Spirit of Ali and the Noor of Ali is from Allah....
Also in 1950, Imam Sultan Muhammad Shah himself changed the wordings in Dua from ALI ALLAH to ALIYULLAH.

"And I wish it to be clear therefore that in Tariqah matters, I am aware and there will be no change in the essence of our faith. But there will be nonetheless a search to enable the Murids to come together in an ever wider Jamat practising their faith together even if they don't speak the same language. There will be an attempt to take account of the pressures of modern life. There will be an attempt to make sure that traditions are understood within the Jamat and outside and that they do not give offence." (Dar es Salaam, Oct 6th, 1988)

Stating explicitly that Ali is Allah can give offence to those outside who are trying to understand out faith. About 2 centuries ago our Jamat was not widely known. Today with the growth of our institutions, our Tariqah is widely known and hence concepts such as Ali is Allah can give offence to others. However, as the Imam has stated the essence will not change.

I clearly quoted the reference: "In 1964 during the visit of Imam in Pakistan, he summond a meeting of all presidents of Ismailia Associations.
In that meeting the president of Tanganika Association Rai Shamsuddin Tejpar asked Hazar Imam about ALI ALLAH AND ALIYULLA.
Hazar Imam said; Farman on that was very clear from my Grand Father. It was not Ali Allah but it was Aliyullah. which has different meaning, which means Ali is from Allah. Donn't confuse it, this means Spirit of Ali and the Noor of Ali is from Allah....
Some one accept it or not, it is upto him/her.

[swamidada786]

Swami: Please name the books.

There is no book written on it so far. I may write one! However anyone who has studied the Ginans will find appropriate Ginanic terms mentioned in Dua. There a book on Quran and Ginans by Alwaez Kamaluddin which highlights the common and shared concepts.
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You admitted there is no such book written so far. You have deep knowledge of religion, I encourage you to pen such book. I have books written by Alwaiz Kamal and Alwiza Zarina. Let me give a reference from his book 'Ismaili Tariqa' page 16/17;
" The Preamble of the constitution is like an ideological statement in which fundamental beliefs of the Ismaili
community have been articulated in simple language. It deals with the matters like ideological and historical bases of notion of Imamat.....

In Dua words like Pir, Piratan, names of Pirs, Ginan, Satpunth are not used.

[kmaherali]

Religious Kindergartens start at lower level that is Shariat.

However they don't remain there forever! They rise to marifati level. That is the difference between and exoteric tradition and an esoteric tradition.

[kmaherali]

In Dua words like Pir, Piratan, names of Pirs, Ginan, Satpunth are not used.

As we stated earler Dua does not contain all our concepts.

[kmaherali]

I clearly quoted the reference:

I clearly stated why such a statement was made not to give offence to others.If Ali's noor or spirit is from Allah, aren't we all from Allah as well? So what is the difference between us and Ali? Why mention it at all in Dua?

[swamidada786]

I clearly quoted the reference:

I clearly stated why such a statement was made not to give offence to others.If Ali's noor or spirit is from Allah, aren't we all from Allah as well? So what is the difference between us and Ali? Why mention it at all in Dua?

Missionary Abu Ali wrote in his book, I quote,"The Imam is HUJJATTULLAH and the KHALIFATULLAH, the VICEREGENT"
Name of book "Ismaili Tariqa, page # 132.
All humans cann't be called Hujjatullah only chosen one (Swami).

[swamidada786]

In Dua words like Pir, Piratan, names of Pirs, Ginan, Satpunth are not used.

As we stated earler Dua does not contain all our concepts.

But it do contain concepts of Tawid, Risalat, Imamat which are basic concepts.

[swamidada786]

Religious Kindergartens start at lower level that is Shariat.

However they don't remain there forever! They rise to marifati level. That is the difference between and exoteric tradition and an esoteric tradition.

So you admitted first stage is Shariat, then Tariqat, Haqiqat, Ma'rafat. Reaching final stage is very very difficult. MSMS said in one of his Farmans " KETLAAK HAJAAR WARRAS THAI GAYA TEMA KETTLA MAN(N)SO TE MUQSAD NE POHUNCHIYA...".

[kmaherali]

All humans cann't be called Hujjatullah only chosen one (Swami).

Hence the Imam said Ali is from Allah not to give offence to others! Otherwise Qur'an links Hujja to Manifest Light. Holy Qur’an (4:174):

O mankind! Verily there hath come to you a Convincing Proof (Hujja) from your Lord: For we have sent unto you a Manifest Light (Nurun Mubeen).

[kmaherali]

But it do contain concepts of Tawid, Risalat, Imamat which are basic concepts.

As we said earlier, the essential purpose of Dua is communication between a murid and the Imam. It contains some essential concepts to remind us of our identity. It is not necessary for it to contain everything about our faith.

[kmaherali]

Reaching final stage is very very difficult. MSMS said in one of his Farmans " KETLAAK HAJAAR WARRAS THAI GAYA TEMA KETTLA MAN(N)SO TE MUQSAD NE POHUNCHIYA...".

It is difficult, nevertheless a few souls have attained it. Hence all murids are not at shariati level!