Imam and Imamat

[Admin]

I just want to point out that Mowlana Ala' Muhammad, when traveling to Syria and residing at Masiyaf Fort, was known as Dai Rashiduddin Sinan and as Old Man of the Mountain by Orientalists, he was not known by anyone as the Imam, he was not telling anyone in Syria that he was Imam Ala Muhammed son of Imam Hasan Alazikrihis Salaam in Alamut. (Mustafa Ghaleb, The Ismailis of Syria. See also the letter of Rashiddudin Sinan to Noureddin Zenki.

Also my personal remark is one should not always believe what is printed, even if it comes from our institutions as "Authorised, authentic, approved etc..." What was considered or institutionally declared once "authorised or authentic" can be within a second be declared void by the Imam if he so which. Never forget that.

[ashraf59]

I fully agree with and understand your perspective, Admin. While I possess a few books published by reputable sources such as IIS, I have observed that much of the information they contain is either inaccurate or misleading. This issue is not confined to IIS alone; for instance, I have noted errors in the first edition of Noran Mubin (India), authored by Chunara, including the claim that a fabricated burial ceremony took place in which Imam Jaffar Sadiq participated.

[swamidada786]

Was Imam scared of worldly powers (I donn't think so) that he went into Taqqiyah, calling himself first Hujjah of Hidden Imam, and then Khalifa and representative of Allah, finally settled as Real Imam!!! Brainless Ismaili Nizari Historians have degraded the Institution of Imamah (following secondary sources, mostly written by enemies of Ismailis).

It is well known in our history, that Imams concealed their true identities hence we have periods of concealment (Satr). What is your understanding of Dawr-i Satr?

Kmaherali you wrote:... and where is it mentioned that he was assasinated?

First proof: Imam was assasinated by his brother in law named Hasan Namawar. Name of book; Tarikh A'ama e Ismailia part 3, page 62, published by Ismaila Association Pakistan, year 1980.
Second proof: Name of book: The Ismailis, their history and doctrines by Farhad Daftary, page 391. Published by Cambridge University press in 1990. Imam was stabbed by his brother in law Hasan Namawar in castle of Lamasar.

True but I did not mention these facts in my post!

you have asked me,"What is your understanding of Dawr i Satr"?

Answer: Is Imam scared of worldly powers that he has to conceal his true identification? Imam Hussain fought sacrificed himself and his family but never concealed his identification.

For second question, your tone of asking was,....and where is it mentioned that he was assasinated?
And I gave you proofs. I have few more non Ismaili accounts of assasination also.

[swamidada786]

I fully agree with and understand your perspective, Admin. While I possess a few books published by reputable sources such as IIS, I have observed that much of the information they contain is either inaccurate or misleading. This issue is not confined to IIS alone; for instance, I have noted errors in the first edition of Noran Mubin (India), authored by Chunara, including the claim that a fabricated burial ceremony took place in which Imam Jaffar Sadiq participated.

Patron of IIS and ITREB is Hazar Imam. Both institutions work under his guidance. Mostly books published by IIS are abridged means paragraphs which go against Ismaili ideology are not included. Regarding the history book
'The Ismailis' written by Farhad Daftray had Shah Karim's approval. The history book Nooran Mubin had Shah Sultan Muhammad Shah's approval and he specially asked jamaits to read that book.

[kmaherali]

you have asked me,"What is your understanding of Dawr i Satr"?

Answer: Is Imam scared of worldly powers that he has to conceal his true identification? Imam Hussain fought sacrificed himself and his family but never concealed his identification.

Imam's don't express themselves in the same manner in all circumstances. Sometimes they are kings and sometimes unknown to the majority. That is how Imamat has continued regardless of the external circumstances. Mowlana Sultan Muhammad Shah stated in his Memoirs:
Often persecuted and oppressed, the faith of my ancestors was never destroyed; at times it flourished as in the epoch of the Fatimite Khalifs, at times it was obscure and little understood.

For second question, your tone of asking was,....and where is it mentioned that he was assasinated?
And I gave you proofs. I have few more non Ismaili accounts of assasination also.

I meant to tell you that I did not mention the assassination in my post. I am not disputing the fact that he was assassinated.

[ashraf59]

To Admin ,
So, brother Admin, do you really believe that Imam Ja‘far al-Sadiq (a.s.) participated in a fake funeral for his own son, Imam Ismail (a.s.)? This claim appears in the first edition of Nooran Mubin, published by the Ismailia Association of India.

If possible, please read the first edition of Nooran Mubin, if you can find it.
Do you think this passage was printed by mistake, or later misunderstood?

Also, who actually authored the well-known granth Buj Niranjan?
There has already been a long discussion on this forum about how accurate Mr. Daftary’s writings are—so I request that you revisit those discussions and read them once again with a critical eye.

[kmaherali]

Also, who actually authored the well-known granth Buj Niranjan?

There is discussion about Buj Niranjan in this forum at : viewtopic.php?t=8826