On Drinking
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alnoordodhia
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Drinking not good.....
As we all know drinking in Muslim is haram....but what drinking socially or business meeting is it ok???....just a thought our IMAM is great business man and personality he is attending so many fucntions/conferences/meeting and we all know there is drink in almost all business conference.....so do you think IMAM must not be drinking???? or he must be drinking???.....whatever the answer is i still believe in him...
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star_munir
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alnoordodhia
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reply to star_munir
ya ali madad...dear i still did not get clear answer.....people usually drink in conferences....and drinking means they do not hang over or sumthng...they just have 1/2 peg with business associate....IMAM attend so many business/conference with all kinds of people....
Re: reply to star_munir
IMAM wears shoes inside Jamat Khana - when you can do that - you can do everything that the Imam can.alnoordodhia wrote:ya ali madad...dear i still did not get clear answer.....people usually drink in conferences....and drinking means they do not hang over or sumthng...they just have 1/2 peg with business associate....IMAM attend so many business/conference with all kinds of people....
Read Lisbon Farman of 1984, there is an interview which talks about alcohol being damaging to the brain even in small quantities.
Suppose you are at a business meeting and they talk about swapping partners or swinging..or they talk about mass suicide..or they talk about indulging in bestiality - using your reasoning - it should be okay to do all of those things - since those are things that your business associates are doing.
Or your work colleagues are eating pepperoni pizzas - will you eat with them?
your faith is an intergral part of your daily life - din and duniya are intertwined - one can not separate them - one cannot compromise on them.
My work colleagues and clients and vendors all know I am a muslim and do not drink, smoke or eat pork and they respect me even more for that and for being steadfast in that. They make accommodations for me and I accommodate them without compromising my faith - when we go to a business lunch or dinner - I order separately - it is okay if they order alcohol - i just don't indulge in it..
In closing at the Seerat Conference Speech of Karachi, 1967 - Hazar Imam said:
"I have observed in the Western world a deeply changing pattern of human relations. The anchors of moral behaviour appear to have dragged to such depths that they no longer hold firm the ship of life. What was once wrong is now simply unconventional, and for the sake of individual freedom must be tolerated. What is tolerated soon becomes accepted. Contrarily, what was once right is now viewed as outdated, old-fashioned and is often the target of ridicule."
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mahebubchatur
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Re: On Drinking Alcohol
The Qur’an clearly forbids Muslims from drinking alcohol:
• “O you who believe! Intoxicants… are an abomination of Satan’s work. So avoid them, that you may prosper.” (5:90)
• “They ask you about wine… Say: ‘In them is great sin, and some benefit for people, but the sin is greater than the benefit.’” (2:219)
Muslims must not consume alcohol, but the Qur’an does not explicitly forbid selling it in a commercial context to non-Muslims.
Today, many hotels, restaurants, and businesses serve alcohol legally to non-Muslims. Muslims who own, manage, or work in these establishments are not drinking it themselves, and the key is personal responsibility: a Muslim must abstain from buying or consuming alcohol, while the business serves lawful customers.
This reflects both the principles of Islamic guidance and the commercial reality today—there is no contradiction if Muslims personally follow the rules of abstinence.
Under Ismaili Muslim faith
Farmans of Imam which come from Quran and Allah - conveyed by Imams of the time
More than anybody I have condemned the two terrible poisons of the West (poison which Ismailis should avoid if they want to live). Poisons that kill body and soul - Alcohol and Tobacco. These are the evils of the West, but the liberty to choose between moral evil and moral good is the necessary part of the battle of the soul of each individuals."
⁃ Imam Shah Sultan Muhammad Shah, Letter (1952)
"I don’t drink alcoholic beverages for several reasons. For one thing, I am a Muslim. For another, I am an athlete in year-round training….([A] cause of embarrassment is the numbered jersey he must wear while racing. It often displays an ad for some alcoholic aperitif — this being a ski-race sponsor’s right.) I do not like the thought that the Ismailis may see a newsreel film of some competition and think their Imam was drinking, or urging other people to do so.”
- Imam Shah Karim al-Husayni
Sports Illustrated Interview, Paul Evan Ress, ‘Prince Karim Aga Khan’ (USA)
10 August 1964
"Our belief is that the thing which separates man from the animals is his power of thought. Anything that impedes this process is wrong. Therefore alcohol is forbidden. I have never touched alcohol. But this, to me, is not a puritan prohibition. I don’t want to drink. I’ve never wanted to drink.”
- Imam Shah Karim al-Husayni
(The Sunday Times, 12 December 1965)
THE ISMAILI IMAMAT’S GUIDANCE AGAINST DRINKING ALCOHOL
https://ismailignosis.com/2014/09/05/th ... g-alcohol/
• “O you who believe! Intoxicants… are an abomination of Satan’s work. So avoid them, that you may prosper.” (5:90)
• “They ask you about wine… Say: ‘In them is great sin, and some benefit for people, but the sin is greater than the benefit.’” (2:219)
Muslims must not consume alcohol, but the Qur’an does not explicitly forbid selling it in a commercial context to non-Muslims.
Today, many hotels, restaurants, and businesses serve alcohol legally to non-Muslims. Muslims who own, manage, or work in these establishments are not drinking it themselves, and the key is personal responsibility: a Muslim must abstain from buying or consuming alcohol, while the business serves lawful customers.
This reflects both the principles of Islamic guidance and the commercial reality today—there is no contradiction if Muslims personally follow the rules of abstinence.
Under Ismaili Muslim faith
Farmans of Imam which come from Quran and Allah - conveyed by Imams of the time
More than anybody I have condemned the two terrible poisons of the West (poison which Ismailis should avoid if they want to live). Poisons that kill body and soul - Alcohol and Tobacco. These are the evils of the West, but the liberty to choose between moral evil and moral good is the necessary part of the battle of the soul of each individuals."
⁃ Imam Shah Sultan Muhammad Shah, Letter (1952)
"I don’t drink alcoholic beverages for several reasons. For one thing, I am a Muslim. For another, I am an athlete in year-round training….([A] cause of embarrassment is the numbered jersey he must wear while racing. It often displays an ad for some alcoholic aperitif — this being a ski-race sponsor’s right.) I do not like the thought that the Ismailis may see a newsreel film of some competition and think their Imam was drinking, or urging other people to do so.”
- Imam Shah Karim al-Husayni
Sports Illustrated Interview, Paul Evan Ress, ‘Prince Karim Aga Khan’ (USA)
10 August 1964
"Our belief is that the thing which separates man from the animals is his power of thought. Anything that impedes this process is wrong. Therefore alcohol is forbidden. I have never touched alcohol. But this, to me, is not a puritan prohibition. I don’t want to drink. I’ve never wanted to drink.”
- Imam Shah Karim al-Husayni
(The Sunday Times, 12 December 1965)
THE ISMAILI IMAMAT’S GUIDANCE AGAINST DRINKING ALCOHOL
https://ismailignosis.com/2014/09/05/th ... g-alcohol/