ROHANI ROSHNI,An understanding.
To Tret :Ya Ali Madad.
You have thrown all your English books for debate in the forum,Now that is over you are now throwing all the Persian manuscript in the forum.Keep up the amusement n implied risks, Admin loves it. Good luck n all the best.
One simple question:
Upon your death your body and mind (brain with it's memory cells) will go to the grave yard.Where will your own soul go or land up/down ? .
Many many questions needs to be asked but one at a time as you are Ilmi. (and not Imli)
You have thrown all your English books for debate in the forum,Now that is over you are now throwing all the Persian manuscript in the forum.Keep up the amusement n implied risks, Admin loves it. Good luck n all the best.
One simple question:
Upon your death your body and mind (brain with it's memory cells) will go to the grave yard.Where will your own soul go or land up/down ? .
Many many questions needs to be asked but one at a time as you are Ilmi. (and not Imli)
To Admin:Ya Ali madad
Congratulation as a Lord of pluralism you would now be allowing stand alone manuscript of any languages in the forum.
Any translation losses at least 5-15% of it's original understanding as meant by the speaker and the writer.
In case of MHI Farmans ,it is said at a particular HI wave length and the level of the translator is at maximum X level.
There are in a Farmans just few words or a line with Baatin interpretation,at times it can get mis quoted due to incorrect or improper translation.
In My JK. the Farman are written on a board in Gujrati. MHI has two word in English
in Thakth Nashini farmans in 1957 in East Afica then .
The words said were both religion and faith in a single Farman
The official translation done by the board is 'Dharam' for both the words.
It should be dharam for religion and Imaan of faith.
He meant Imaan n not dharam of your forefather.
The improper translation can lead to misunderstanding at an academic level.
The word 'Faith' means Imaan ,which implies 'conviction of the Imam'.
If word is read as Dharam ( religion).It can raise a question in the mind
that the religion of our forefathers was Hinduism of the Khojas.
Just simple one word official translation can change the meaning.
Just imagine loaded line of Baatin being translated to us
I have observed in book of Farmans in Gujrati I have of Imam SMS,I
can sense and feel convincingly some translation error may be there.
What ALI desires lets be his Prerogative.
OUR IS NOT TO REASON WHY
BUT TO DO AND RELIVE ( NOT DIE)
Congratulation as a Lord of pluralism you would now be allowing stand alone manuscript of any languages in the forum.
Any translation losses at least 5-15% of it's original understanding as meant by the speaker and the writer.
In case of MHI Farmans ,it is said at a particular HI wave length and the level of the translator is at maximum X level.
There are in a Farmans just few words or a line with Baatin interpretation,at times it can get mis quoted due to incorrect or improper translation.
In My JK. the Farman are written on a board in Gujrati. MHI has two word in English
in Thakth Nashini farmans in 1957 in East Afica then .
The words said were both religion and faith in a single Farman
The official translation done by the board is 'Dharam' for both the words.
It should be dharam for religion and Imaan of faith.
He meant Imaan n not dharam of your forefather.
The improper translation can lead to misunderstanding at an academic level.
The word 'Faith' means Imaan ,which implies 'conviction of the Imam'.
If word is read as Dharam ( religion).It can raise a question in the mind
that the religion of our forefathers was Hinduism of the Khojas.
Just simple one word official translation can change the meaning.
Just imagine loaded line of Baatin being translated to us
I have observed in book of Farmans in Gujrati I have of Imam SMS,I
can sense and feel convincingly some translation error may be there.
What ALI desires lets be his Prerogative.
OUR IS NOT TO REASON WHY
BUT TO DO AND RELIVE ( NOT DIE)
The word Faith has many meaning beside Iman. Translationcan be inaccurate but with Imam's given intuition and intellect, many good translations are in existence and let me remind you that Mowlana Sultan Muhammad Shah has referred to the 2 volumes of His Farmans called Kalame Imam-Mubeen so if He has deemed the book fit for consumption, He has ruled that the translation was satisfactory.
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Truth is truth, no matter in which language! If you are so allergic to persian/Farsi, then It's not my problem. You can keep your eyes and ears closed. Oh wait, you are already doing that. Just remember, several of our Imams ruled in Persia!!nuseri wrote: To Tret :Ya Ali Madad.
You have thrown all your English books for debate in the forum,Now that is over you are now throwing all the Persian manuscript in the forum.Keep up the amusement n implied risks, Admin loves it. Good luck n all the best.
I am still communicating in English. The reason why I add Persian verses, is to steam you up. And I think it's working.
Now, who's amusing who? let's readers be judge and jury!!!
You are right, one question at a time!! You see, nurisi! I have asked you a dozen questions so far, you keep conveniently ignoring them. The reason could only be, that you don't have any answers for them; and yet you are asking me question? I mean don't you have any shame? If you want me to answer your question, at least have the guts and courtesy to at least try to answer to my questions that I have asked you, if you know the answer!!! But, I guess you don't! So, I take it, as you don't really have any answers to questions I have asked. That's okay. No one knows everything (sometimes even the basic questions). don't feel too bad about yourself, you are doing great, btw! You aren't as dumb as you sound!!nuseri wrote: One simple question:
Upon your death your body and mind (brain with it's memory cells) will go to the grave yard.Where will your own soul go or land up/down ? .
Many many questions needs to be asked but one at a time as you are Ilmi. (and not Imli)
Okay, back to your question, where would my(or your soul for that matter) soul would go? up? or down?
Good question!!! Let me try to answer it (unlike you, that you ignored all my questions!!!)
Soul is purified and nourished by our actions!!! Action is caused by our intentions and thoughts!!! Ilm and knowledge inspires us and our intentions! Someone who lacks knowledge, may get involved in actions which can degrade soul's status (you are interested in soul's status, aren't you?). I would like you to evaluate your soul's status!! And I don't want you to tell me what's the status! please keep it to yourself!!!
Let me break it down for you. Because I think you still have trouble digesting it. In a third word country, where education is low, there somehow seem to be high crime rate [/b](I just want to remind you one of your post that is no longer in this forum, which was before the crash of this website, where you stated something like, I really can't exactly remember the words, but moral was 'you can't properly argue with your illiterate driver! or you can't argue with your wife if she's illiterate, or the word of an illiterate man is not acceptable/valid in the court of law. But it all revolved around literacy!!)[/b] Again, like I said, self-contradiction!!!
So, our action affects our soul directly!!! we have a choice to follow Farameen of our MHI and purify our souls or ignore them and choose not to do so!!! I guess we know who's where!!!
Your problem is, that you want to jump several steps at a time. But, you are unaware that you fall flat with your face, not only you get anywhere, but also you get yourself hurt, badly! You will only realize that when it's too late! Again, who am I to tell you what to do or not to! By ignoring the work of our great Imams and Dia's and Pir's, you are abandoning our great and rich history! I bet, you don't have any idea of the history of Ismailies! Where we came from and who we really are!!! Someone who doesn't put intellect ahead, debate can't go anywhere... You my friend, is so falsely happy that you reached mahrifat, simply by saying ALI=God, but you have no idea who ALI is and who GOD is!!! and it's so clear that it's twice that you are avoiding this question!!!
Again, please -- mr. marifati -- enlighten us and tell us, who ALI is? and who GOD is? if you have any clue at all?
If this time you ignore this question, then you are proving to me and every member of this forum that you truly don't have any idea who ALI is and who GOD is, and when you say ALI=GOD, is totally out of your ignorance and say it blindly, which is even a greater sin!!!
every one can say ALI! but simply by saying ALI, not everyone reaches mahrifat!!!
To Tret:Ya Ali Madad.
You are now losing your sleep,if you engage more you may lose more things.
Your statement/sermon on soul was confusing and beating around the bush.
I asked a simple question n also stated it to be answered in few lines only.
Please re answer in just 0ne to three line 'Where doe your soul go after death".
Nobody asked the background or thesis on it.Just the few word answer
of destination.
As for your question. of Ali= Allah
It lot depends upon your Imaan n conviction status on MHI How much
you absolutely believe in the DIRECT to the point farmans of Imam Aga Ali Shah Datar or Baatin in MHI's farman
and the Quran Ayats hinting of it.
Haqiqat is a conviction from within does comes by birth and also later on thru our tariqa practice and traditional material reading.It is thru Ilm
and belief beyond doubt for MHI that get enlightened in your conviction.
Imaan is metaphysical ,in it one can express or write on it,One may not
be able to show it physically in absolute terms.
Only person who did show his Haqiqat physically was Nuseri during the time of H.ALI.
Please read my topics on 1) H Ali miracle n Nuseri 2)Understanding the word 'Allah'
3) Understanding the Kalima 4) understanding the greeting of the Imam.5) Understanding needed of Koran Ayats.
Please read n TRY TO UNDERSTAND it with open mind to be blessed upon it.
Well many many Ismailis are at Tariqat level it is GOOD and nothing to be shy about it and you are definitely blessed with the Intellect as seen in your postings.
Just imagine for a while if you wish to see the face of GOD on Earth,whose face comes first instance ,you have the relative answer.
At Haqiqat HE is only face by default and not at first instance.
The conviction come out of better understanding ( Haqiqati ILM) and not full academic grasping of the Farmans n Ginans on the face value of the words printed n memorization.
Please read n Understand the depth of our Faith in 5 topics and I cannot repeat it all over again.
Ilm from Imam's Farman and Ismaili Sufis recognized by the Imams is surest path from Tariqat to Haqiqat.
INTELLECT IS PART N PARCEL OF OUR TARIQA.
(please note Ilm is input for mind n soul and Intellect is the output/expression.)
Please note that that most of the regular forum members are Haqiqati are absolute Ali= Allah club members or I would say are of ' Nuseri Clan'
' BROTHER TRET WELCOME TO THE CLAN/CLUB'.
Either say 'Ameen' or say something fancy in Farsi or French and God. bless for that word
You are now losing your sleep,if you engage more you may lose more things.
Your statement/sermon on soul was confusing and beating around the bush.
I asked a simple question n also stated it to be answered in few lines only.
Please re answer in just 0ne to three line 'Where doe your soul go after death".
Nobody asked the background or thesis on it.Just the few word answer
of destination.
As for your question. of Ali= Allah
It lot depends upon your Imaan n conviction status on MHI How much
you absolutely believe in the DIRECT to the point farmans of Imam Aga Ali Shah Datar or Baatin in MHI's farman
and the Quran Ayats hinting of it.
Haqiqat is a conviction from within does comes by birth and also later on thru our tariqa practice and traditional material reading.It is thru Ilm
and belief beyond doubt for MHI that get enlightened in your conviction.
Imaan is metaphysical ,in it one can express or write on it,One may not
be able to show it physically in absolute terms.
Only person who did show his Haqiqat physically was Nuseri during the time of H.ALI.
Please read my topics on 1) H Ali miracle n Nuseri 2)Understanding the word 'Allah'
3) Understanding the Kalima 4) understanding the greeting of the Imam.5) Understanding needed of Koran Ayats.
Please read n TRY TO UNDERSTAND it with open mind to be blessed upon it.
Well many many Ismailis are at Tariqat level it is GOOD and nothing to be shy about it and you are definitely blessed with the Intellect as seen in your postings.
Just imagine for a while if you wish to see the face of GOD on Earth,whose face comes first instance ,you have the relative answer.
At Haqiqat HE is only face by default and not at first instance.
The conviction come out of better understanding ( Haqiqati ILM) and not full academic grasping of the Farmans n Ginans on the face value of the words printed n memorization.
Please read n Understand the depth of our Faith in 5 topics and I cannot repeat it all over again.
Ilm from Imam's Farman and Ismaili Sufis recognized by the Imams is surest path from Tariqat to Haqiqat.
INTELLECT IS PART N PARCEL OF OUR TARIQA.
(please note Ilm is input for mind n soul and Intellect is the output/expression.)
Please note that that most of the regular forum members are Haqiqati are absolute Ali= Allah club members or I would say are of ' Nuseri Clan'
' BROTHER TRET WELCOME TO THE CLAN/CLUB'.
Either say 'Ameen' or say something fancy in Farsi or French and God. bless for that word
To Admin: Ya Ali Madad.
You exactly did what I had presumed. You deleted my whole post with reasoning for just two last lines of English transliteration of Hindi Language.
You acted after 48 hours,when you fully understood what it meant in spite
of you having some understanding of the language. I know it annoyed you.
Just imagine if somebody post say around 30 lines in non English manuscript
writing utter rubbish for an Islamic entity or an Ismaili entity.
My message took 48 hours ,just imagine how much time it can take If any one in your team does NOT have any clue of that language transcript.
You are under assumption that being owner of the site and pluralism as understood and observed by you.
You are NOT immune any such thing happening.
Certain acts,stubbornness n omission can have far reaching implications not imagined with regular school of thoughts.
May ALI bless you and your team with Haqiqati Samaj.
Bonjour Monsieur
You exactly did what I had presumed. You deleted my whole post with reasoning for just two last lines of English transliteration of Hindi Language.
You acted after 48 hours,when you fully understood what it meant in spite
of you having some understanding of the language. I know it annoyed you.
Just imagine if somebody post say around 30 lines in non English manuscript
writing utter rubbish for an Islamic entity or an Ismaili entity.
My message took 48 hours ,just imagine how much time it can take If any one in your team does NOT have any clue of that language transcript.
You are under assumption that being owner of the site and pluralism as understood and observed by you.
You are NOT immune any such thing happening.
Certain acts,stubbornness n omission can have far reaching implications not imagined with regular school of thoughts.
May ALI bless you and your team with Haqiqati Samaj.
Bonjour Monsieur
How does this above post enhance knowledge? Please read the rules and stop posting personal comments unrelated to the title of the thread. Your post was deleted because of a breach of the posting rule, not because of 2 lines of transcription. Your assumptions are wrong. I urge all those posting here to stop personal attacks and concentrate on increasing knowledge and information on the subject of the thread.
Enhance knowledge? Admin be honest with you I stopped long time ago to read his posts because it is very hard to understand, i have noticed many times that ; thread subject is some thing else and he writing some thing else!! and I remember that you warned him many times for that but who cares? He still throwing his garbage thought in this web sites except his true love towards H.Ali.
One should not forget that he loves Ali and that is his comon binding with all of us and that love for Ali has also protected him from getting banned from this Forum. It is sad that a person can love the sun but hate the rainbow whose source is the same sun. He only deprives him from the beauty sent by the sun to be admired. And that turning his face from the rainbow is the supreme insult to the sun.
And as for any non-respect of the rules of posting, yes we will delete the post.
And as for any non-respect of the rules of posting, yes we will delete the post.
nuseri wrote: To Tret:Ya Ali Madad.
You are now losing your sleep,if you engage more you may lose more things.
funny you say that
people who know me personally, tells me I sleep like baby , and I do.Sleep is one thing, i don't lose sleep over, and I suggest you don't too.
But, I am not sure what do you really mean by 'more things'??? You have a unique way of hinting things vaguely, and 'more things' is just one of those things, like you did in the past, such as 'dead man' and etc..., which I am still awaiting to provide a clarification?! Anyways, let's get to important stuff, shall we.
Well, I thought I could use your style of answering for once, and see what your reaction would be. Turns out that it really worked!!! I thought giving you hints would work, but apparently what I think, is not necessarily what yhou would get. So, I need to be more deliberate!!nuseri wrote: Your statement/sermon on soul was confusing and beating around the bush.
I asked a simple question n also stated it to be answered in few lines only.
Please re answer in just 0ne to three line 'Where doe your soul go after death".
Nobody asked the background or thesis on it.Just the few word answer
of destination.
It depends on our actions/intentions and deeds in this world, where our soul would go! If a honey bee is filty, s/he can't join the rest of honey bees and bee hive. in other words, they won't accept him/her, unless this same honey bee cleans himself/herself up!!!. So, in this world we have the liberty of choosing our actions/intentions. Should we choose right, we would be clean honeybees and join them, but on the other hand, should we choose not to, then we will be refused and sent back 'here' to do it over!!! maybe the harder way?
Honestly, I think you need to do alittle better. I don't mean to be rude, but this really need to be elaborated!!! So, you are saying if someone's Iman is not complete, does it really affect the what really ALI is? Besides, it's really not about others believe and iman, I asked you a direct question, as what is ALI to you? so, you should answer this question in relation to your belief [and proof it!], and not others belief and iman!! so, i want you to try again!!! please.nuseri wrote: As for your question. of Ali= Allah
It lot depends upon your Imaan n conviction status on MHI How much
you absolutely believe in the DIRECT to the point farmans of Imam Aga Ali Shah Datar or Baatin in MHI's farman
and the Quran Ayats hinting of it.
Really? I really want you to proove it! Because, I think it's something that one can find through soul searching. Please back up your statement!!nuseri wrote: Haqiqat is a conviction from within does comes by birth
So, which one is it? what you said above? [by birth] or latter? Make up your mind, buddy!!!nuseri wrote: and also later on thru our tariqa practice and traditional material reading.It is thru Ilm
and belief beyond doubt for MHI that get enlightened in your conviction.
Iman is metaphysical? Do you really believe that? Please, give me a break... Please again proove this, how Iman is metaphysical?nuseri wrote: Imaan is metaphysical ,in it one can express or write on it,One may not
be able to show it physically in absolute terms.
For that matter, please describe what 'metaphysic' is? then we can analyze how belief is metaphysical or not!!!
Your topics, are they published as books? if not, then you have to breifly explain each one, here. I have no idea what are you referring to.nuseri wrote: Please read my topics on 1) H Ali miracle n Nuseri 2)Understanding the word 'Allah'
3) Understanding the Kalima 4) understanding the greeting of the Imam.5) Understanding needed of Koran Ayats.
It's kind of interesting to hear the term 'open mind' from someone who himself/herself is allergic to another language [which several of our own Imams used to rule]. Interesting!!! or Wierd!!nuseri wrote: Please read n TRY TO UNDERSTAND it with open mind to be blessed upon it.
Shy? I mean, what are you talking about, bro??? If you refer to me as someone who reached realization, and i don't accept it, simply because i think i am higher than that, you must be really out of your mind, dude!!!! You really have trouble digesting what I am really trying to tell you. I am writing in english, don't I?nuseri wrote: Well many many Ismailis are at Tariqat level it is GOOD and nothing to be shy about it and you are definitely blessed with the Intellect as seen in your postings.
I have news for you my mahrifati freind!!! If you truly consider yourself who reached mahrifat level, you should have known this better, and I don't need to tell you. You don't see God or God's face!!!! Face is physical, God is not!!! Even if you try to realize Hujjat of God on earth, even then you will fail, if you take face value!!!nuseri wrote: Just imagine for a while if you wish to see the face of GOD on Earth,whose face comes first instance ,you have the relative answer.
At Haqiqat HE is only face by default and not at first instance.
Where have I disagreed, please show me!!!!nuseri wrote: The conviction come out of better understanding ( Haqiqati ILM) and not full academic grasping of the Farmans n Ginans on the face value of the words printed n memorization.
Please read n Understand the depth of our Faith in 5 topics and I cannot repeat it all over again.
Who do you refer as [Ismaili Sufis]? Please you need to clarify this!!! Because, you seem to banish our Pir's and Dai's, and now you are talking about Ismaili Sufis???nuseri wrote: Ilm from Imam's Farman and Ismaili Sufis recognized by the Imams is surest path from Tariqat to Haqiqat.
Discussion on Sufi and Ismaili tariqa is totally another topic, which I din't want to get into. If you want to discuss the differences and similarities of sufi and ismaili tariqa, then please let's open another thread and I can tell you all about it!!
Only our tariqa? what about someone who's not ismaili? Do they not have any intellect?nuseri wrote: INTELLECT IS PART N PARCEL OF OUR TARIQA.
I think intellect is inate to every human being. the level of intellect may differ!!!
Wrong!! Ilm is necessary to acquire, intellect is base for Ilm. The stronger your base, the better your acquiring of Ilm.nuseri wrote: (please note Ilm is input for mind n soul and Intellect is the output/expression.)
It's not that I just got married, and you as a married man, welcoming me to the 'club'.nuseri wrote: Please note that that most of the regular forum members are Haqiqati are absolute Ali= Allah club members or I would say are of ' Nuseri Clan'
' BROTHER TRET WELCOME TO THE CLAN/CLUB'.
Either say 'Ameen' or say something fancy in Farsi or French and God. bless for that word
Unlike you, I don't want to subscribe to something blindly, even if that's the truth. I want to get it 100%. You seem to have subscribed to something, that you have now trouble explaining it. You see, following something out of blind, is as if commiting a sin.
So, I am not saying 'Ameen' [which is by the way a persian word as well], nor i will say anything else in French!!!
There's a saying that goes like:
Bouad zanjeer ba zanjeer paywand --- saree zanjeer dar dast-e khudawand
meaning: chain is connected to chain --- head of chain is in God's hand.
I guess, you should be smart enough to get this, if not I will tell you all about it in my next reply
To tret:Ya Ali Madad.
Ignore the braying and barking of Zahiris.
I sincerely wish to communicate with Humans
Please let me know what' Ayat no 27 in surah 55 ' in Quran says.
I can assure you all the regulars member ( except one) will confirm their/ours Haqiqati conviction even if they dislike or disagree with me.
I am sure our Imaan comes first and then academic debates/differances.
Ignore the braying and barking of Zahiris.
I sincerely wish to communicate with Humans
Please let me know what' Ayat no 27 in surah 55 ' in Quran says.
I can assure you all the regulars member ( except one) will confirm their/ours Haqiqati conviction even if they dislike or disagree with me.
I am sure our Imaan comes first and then academic debates/differances.
To nuseri!!
You seem to rant so much about metaphysic, please enlighten us, what metaphysic is all about!!! and especially in our tariqa?? If you ignore this question this time, I have no choice but to draw the conclusion that you have no idea about the essence of our tariqa, but you just like to say it!!!
You seem to rant so much about metaphysic, please enlighten us, what metaphysic is all about!!! and especially in our tariqa?? If you ignore this question this time, I have no choice but to draw the conclusion that you have no idea about the essence of our tariqa, but you just like to say it!!!
Ayat no 27 in surah 55
Please have the courtesy to quote unquote the Ayat translation in your post instead of forcing people to google with some chapter and line numbers. That's the minimum expected. IF the ayat is in relation to Ruhani Roshni which is the title of the thread. Before asking for interpretations, give your interpretation. Explain why in your opinion the Ayat you want people to comment on or to read is related to Roshni and not to some pother attributes of Allah. That is the proper way to start a discussion on a particular Ayat. Encourage discussion - do not discourage people by making everything vague and difficult.
Please have the courtesy to quote unquote the Ayat translation in your post instead of forcing people to google with some chapter and line numbers. That's the minimum expected. IF the ayat is in relation to Ruhani Roshni which is the title of the thread. Before asking for interpretations, give your interpretation. Explain why in your opinion the Ayat you want people to comment on or to read is related to Roshni and not to some pother attributes of Allah. That is the proper way to start a discussion on a particular Ayat. Encourage discussion - do not discourage people by making everything vague and difficult.
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Br Nuserinuseri wrote:To tret:Ya Ali Madad.
Ignore the braying and barking of Zahiris.
I sincerely wish to communicate with Humans
Please let me know what' Ayat no 27 in surah 55 ' in Quran says.
I can assure you all the regulars member ( except one) will confirm their/ours Haqiqati conviction even if they dislike or disagree with me.
I am sure our Imaan comes first and then academic debates/differances.
ASAK
I am not interested in this thread therefore I did not 'bark' here.
You seems to be paranoid personality where you see 'Zaharias' everywhere.
This is what one ex Mustali Ismaili writes about Haqiqat etc. on his site. (He has converted to Zahari)
And I quote
Please take it as one man's opinionIlm-ul-Haqiqat literally means ‘Knowledge of Truth’. It is not an Islamic term which has been used in the Quran and Sunnah, but simply a term concocted by some misguided sects who try to differentiate and confuse their believers by inventing fancy names to knowledge like Ilm-ul-Haqiqat, Ilm-ul-Zaahir, Ilm-ul-Baatin, Ilm-ul-Ladooni, etc. They create these names and then hide behind them when questions are asked regarding the authenticity of their beliefs; and when they are not comfortable with the questions being asked they always bring forth such names and say the common man cannot understand it because it is ‘actually’ from the knowledge of Haqiqat, or Zaahir, or Baatin, etc.
I have no intention of derailing this thread but Ido read every post and try to understand.
Please go on. Your take on 55:27 will be interesting.
Salaam brother
To zznoor:Ya Ali Madad:
We do not go into what an ex Musteali or XYZ writes.We go on the Farmans of our Imam
which are valid and absolutely binding on us, as our faith has both zahiri n baatin interpretation and it's very much LIVING part of our tariqa.
Any opinion of quacks and their copy paste is like showing a recorded/googled barking of a past Zahiri showed now by a sick in mind Zahiri.
It's look like the whole dog van is after this site.
We do not go into what an ex Musteali or XYZ writes.We go on the Farmans of our Imam
which are valid and absolutely binding on us, as our faith has both zahiri n baatin interpretation and it's very much LIVING part of our tariqa.
Any opinion of quacks and their copy paste is like showing a recorded/googled barking of a past Zahiri showed now by a sick in mind Zahiri.
It's look like the whole dog van is after this site.
Many Quranic verses are in relation to anything you want to be (including "Ruhani Roshni") if you interpretate it in non-literal way.Admin wrote:Ayat no 27 in surah 55 Please have the courtesy to quote unquote the Ayat translation in your post instead of forcing people to google with some chapter and line numbers. That's the minimum expected. IF the ayat is in relation to Ruhani Roshni which is the title of the thread.
I agree with you to let nuseri and others to give their respective literal translation and literal and non-literal interpretation of 055:027
what's the relevence to what I am saying and my POV? So, you consider me barking, by preaching to acquire knowledge? If not, then what is it? Please be specific and give examples. Avoid making vague statements, because politicians and two-face people does that!!! You are not one of them, are you?nuseri wrote: Ignore the braying and barking of Zahiris.
So, kindly tell me what am I? and other participants? You clearly doesn't consider us as humans!nuseri wrote: I sincerely wish to communicate with Humans
Everyone expects an answer from you.nuseri wrote: Please let me know what' Ayat no 27 in surah 55 ' in Quran says.
okay, again I am asking you to clarify what is 'haqiqati conviction' according to you??? Then we can discuss who stands where!!nuseri wrote: I can assure you all the regulars member ( except one) will confirm their/ours Haqiqati conviction even if they dislike or disagree with me.
Iman comes before academic differences? That has never been the topic of discussion and certainly not our differences! I appose your ideology/attitude of 'knowledge is not important'. Please backup your stand with credible resources or else you will fail once again, like you did in the past failing to give answers to questions i posed you.nuseri wrote: I am sure our Imaan comes first and then academic debates/differances.
To Tret:Ya Ali Madad.
Everyone asks a person who can deliver and not to an empty handed/bankrupt person.
A small observation of Haqiqati amongst us.
Today we are posting on this very website because Admin is Haqiqati convinced momin with courage.If Admin would have been a plain vanilla tariqati( believing in MHI as nothing more than a Imam) may be this site would not been there.
It is not easy for a plain vanilla Tariqati to run a successful website also taking risks of life of his family by our own Tariqati fraternity increasing his risk n letting him down with their mischief.I salute him once again as I have done earlier.
There are few Farmans of Imam SMS classifying the value and status of even one Haqiqati.
Some member( Agakhani) stated in post earlier that Imam SMS has said that PIr's have made them to a level little above Shariat to Ismailis of Khoja traditions then.(A promotion of 8.4 million life cycles as said by the Pir's in their Ginans) when traditions had great role to play along with the Tariqa.
Brother Tret please do not underestimate a soul of an Ismaili and also
persons blessed with Spiritual intellect
Everyone asks a person who can deliver and not to an empty handed/bankrupt person.
A small observation of Haqiqati amongst us.
Today we are posting on this very website because Admin is Haqiqati convinced momin with courage.If Admin would have been a plain vanilla tariqati( believing in MHI as nothing more than a Imam) may be this site would not been there.
It is not easy for a plain vanilla Tariqati to run a successful website also taking risks of life of his family by our own Tariqati fraternity increasing his risk n letting him down with their mischief.I salute him once again as I have done earlier.
There are few Farmans of Imam SMS classifying the value and status of even one Haqiqati.
Some member( Agakhani) stated in post earlier that Imam SMS has said that PIr's have made them to a level little above Shariat to Ismailis of Khoja traditions then.(A promotion of 8.4 million life cycles as said by the Pir's in their Ginans) when traditions had great role to play along with the Tariqa.
Brother Tret please do not underestimate a soul of an Ismaili and also
persons blessed with Spiritual intellect
Where's my answere(s)?!?!?!?nuseri wrote:To Tret:Ya Ali Madad.
Everyone asks a person who can deliver and not to an empty handed/bankrupt person.
A small observation of Haqiqati amongst us.
Today we are posting on this very website because Admin is Haqiqati convinced momin with courage.If Admin would have been a plain vanilla tariqati( believing in MHI as nothing more than a Imam) may be this site would not been there.
It is not easy for a plain vanilla Tariqati to run a successful website also taking risks of life of his family by our own Tariqati fraternity increasing his risk n letting him down with their mischief.I salute him once again as I have done earlier.
There are few Farmans of Imam SMS classifying the value and status of even one Haqiqati.
Some member( Agakhani) stated in post earlier that Imam SMS has said that PIr's have made them to a level little above Shariat to Ismailis of Khoja traditions then.(A promotion of 8.4 million life cycles as said by the Pir's in their Ginans) when traditions had great role to play along with the Tariqa.
Brother Tret please do not underestimate a soul of an Ismaili and also
persons blessed with Spiritual intellect
To Tret:
I do NOT take take any useless questions.I ONLY WRITE OUT MY CONVICTION.Go word by word on all the post I have made in last 17 months n find answers.
One if one person sees a square and it's sure about may be at 67% truth probability level.(50% if not very sure)
100% truth is to see the same square with 360 degrees angle to ascertain whether the square is a part of a cube with six sides and the square in question, to understand in isolation and also in relativity with other five sides unseen earlier.
You are a confirmed screwed up Tariqati whose level of truth is 50%and falsehood is 50 %.
Bless yourself that you are a born Ismaili.
The Shariatis are at 75% false hood in terms of conviction.
The falsehood percentage is same for barking level for Shariati n Tariqati
I do NOT take take any useless questions.I ONLY WRITE OUT MY CONVICTION.Go word by word on all the post I have made in last 17 months n find answers.
One if one person sees a square and it's sure about may be at 67% truth probability level.(50% if not very sure)
100% truth is to see the same square with 360 degrees angle to ascertain whether the square is a part of a cube with six sides and the square in question, to understand in isolation and also in relativity with other five sides unseen earlier.
You are a confirmed screwed up Tariqati whose level of truth is 50%and falsehood is 50 %.
Bless yourself that you are a born Ismaili.
The Shariatis are at 75% false hood in terms of conviction.
The falsehood percentage is same for barking level for Shariati n Tariqati
To a_27282:Ya Ali Madad.
I need your help.
Can you if possible please post all the Ayats from Quran stating the word
'Face,face of Allah, face word Allah/Lord, etc"
Please post few Ayats with their numbers n their English translation.
I am very sure there could be few of them.Please note explanations are not needed.LEAVE THAT TO ME.
I need your help.
Can you if possible please post all the Ayats from Quran stating the word
'Face,face of Allah, face word Allah/Lord, etc"
Please post few Ayats with their numbers n their English translation.
I am very sure there could be few of them.Please note explanations are not needed.LEAVE THAT TO ME.
no question is useless, however, it can be if one doesn't have any answers to. I asked you a question about a term which you use yourself frequently, but I bet you have no clue about it, and it's metaphysic that I am talking about. Now, you may think it's useless, and if so, then why do you keep using this term? Will this concludes that like metaphysics, most of your other self-invented ideas/formulas are baseless and with flaws. No one can measure no one's faith. You keep expressing your love towards ALI, and I have no way to disagree/agree with you, same is true with my love towards my Imam and ALI, there's no way you can measure it (let alone percentage).nuseri wrote:To Tret:
I do NOT take take any useless questions.I ONLY WRITE OUT MY CONVICTION.Go word by word on all the post I have made in last 17 months n find answers.
One if one person sees a square and it's sure about may be at 67% truth probability level.(50% if not very sure)
100% truth is to see the same square with 360 degrees angle to ascertain whether the square is a part of a cube with six sides and the square in question, to understand in isolation and also in relativity with other five sides unseen earlier.
You are a confirmed screwed up Tariqati whose level of truth is 50%and falsehood is 50 %.
Bless yourself that you are a born Ismaili.
The Shariatis are at 75% false hood in terms of conviction.
The falsehood percentage is same for barking level for Shariati n Tariqati
I guess arguing beyond this is really pointless with you. I want to repeat and compress my saying by one last statement, which is very much relevant to you.
ديــن که به تسبيح و سر و ريش نيست
هــرکه علي گفت که درويش نيســـــت
Meaning:
din is not with beard, cloth, tasbih [physical]
whoever just said 'ali' is not darvish [reached to mahrifat]
sorry for the delay.nuseri wrote:To a_27282:Ya Ali Madad.
I need your help.
Can you if possible please post all the Ayats from Quran stating the word
'Face,face of Allah, face word Allah/Lord, etc"
Please post few Ayats with their numbers n their English translation.
I am very sure there could be few of them.Please note explanations are not needed.LEAVE THAT TO ME.
For past two days i haven't visited here.
Face = wajhu
002:115 To God belong the East and the West; whithersoever you turn, there is the Face of God; God is All-embracing, All-knowing.
002:272 you are not responsible for guiding them; but God guides whomsoever He will. And whatever good you expend is for yourselves, and do not expend save craving for God's face; and whatever good you expend shall be repaid to you in full, and you will not be wronged
006:052 And do not drive away those who call upon their Lord at morning and evening desiring His face
013:022 and those who are patient, craving their Lord's face, and are steadfast in prayer, and expend in alms of what we have bestowed upon them secretly and openly, and ward off evil with good,- these shall have the recompense of the abode
018:028 and keep yourself patient with those who call upon their Lord at morning and evening, desiring His countenance face
028:088 And call not upon another god with God; there is no god but He. All things perish, except His Face. His is the Judgment, and unto Him you shall be returned
030:038 And give the kinsman his right, and the needy, and the traveller; that is better for those who desire God's Face; those they are the prosperous
030:039 And what you give in usury, that it may increase upon the people's wealth, increases not with God; but what you give in alms, desiring God's Face, those -- they receive recompense manifold
055:026-27 All that dwells upon the earth is perishing, but the face of your Lord endowed with majesty and honor shall endure
Ya Ali Madad:
Many thanks to a_ 7282 for a very fine research of references and it's translation in simple English which a primary school child can answer a question reading those Ayats without 'any religious affiliation.'
Whether Allah has Face?. one word reply to question : YES OR NO?
It will a b simple majority answer.
Those with orthodox conviction of their parents will have to LIE in answering it.
For a person to be called a Muslim in the first place IS to read,accept the words of Ali+lah=Allah in Quran telling the absolute truth.(NO IF AND BUT n Escapism).
Is He/She does believe in the word of Allah,then that person is not at all
a faithful Muslim ( because he has no faith in words of Allah) AT ALL but a practicing Muslim of it futile primitive rites.
If a person does not understand the word 'Allah' and his features as fundamental qualification of his faith/ visible religious practice.
It is like eating Grass like an animal in spite of having or read XXX amount of book or XXX rated books.(God only knows).
Is is very sad that may be 85% of world population believe God is Faceless( when there in NO Ayat where he has said that).
In Quran there are many many verses where God has given collective punishment to a civilization for not believing in HIM.
The world today with more material aspiration and less conviction n spirituality can be subject to acts of Nature ( read as God) baffling their
educated minds and fundamental of their conviction.
I am observing the pattern of times to come but may not express it openly on the Forums.
I will spell out the events and corresponding Ayats in times to come.
To Admin: Pleased to see your Haqiqati conviction and posting above.
You have the choice to raise the bar of the forum to Haqiqat level n
beyond that or to entertain Shariatis or very low level Tariqatis with precise agenda and loose
Haqiqati contributors in the Forum.(like Agakhani,K Maherally,ShamsB).
To each his own conviction.
Many thanks to a_ 7282 for a very fine research of references and it's translation in simple English which a primary school child can answer a question reading those Ayats without 'any religious affiliation.'
Whether Allah has Face?. one word reply to question : YES OR NO?
It will a b simple majority answer.
Those with orthodox conviction of their parents will have to LIE in answering it.
For a person to be called a Muslim in the first place IS to read,accept the words of Ali+lah=Allah in Quran telling the absolute truth.(NO IF AND BUT n Escapism).
Is He/She does believe in the word of Allah,then that person is not at all
a faithful Muslim ( because he has no faith in words of Allah) AT ALL but a practicing Muslim of it futile primitive rites.
If a person does not understand the word 'Allah' and his features as fundamental qualification of his faith/ visible religious practice.
It is like eating Grass like an animal in spite of having or read XXX amount of book or XXX rated books.(God only knows).
Is is very sad that may be 85% of world population believe God is Faceless( when there in NO Ayat where he has said that).
In Quran there are many many verses where God has given collective punishment to a civilization for not believing in HIM.
The world today with more material aspiration and less conviction n spirituality can be subject to acts of Nature ( read as God) baffling their
educated minds and fundamental of their conviction.
I am observing the pattern of times to come but may not express it openly on the Forums.
I will spell out the events and corresponding Ayats in times to come.
To Admin: Pleased to see your Haqiqati conviction and posting above.
You have the choice to raise the bar of the forum to Haqiqat level n
beyond that or to entertain Shariatis or very low level Tariqatis with precise agenda and loose
Haqiqati contributors in the Forum.(like Agakhani,K Maherally,ShamsB).
To each his own conviction.
Quote:nuseri
Word of Allah in Quran is to fast during Ramadan
Intension of fast and hadith of Prophet is to fast by all parts of the body.
Are you implying that those who do not fast are not Muslim?
Or
Those who fast for show are Muslim just because they fast!
Food for thought
This and other commands for Salat, Hajj, Zakat are in Quran.
For Exact manner of 5 prayers and Zakat and Hajj rituals, we depend on Sunnah
Salaam
For a person to be called a Muslim in the first place IS to read,accept the words of Ali+lah=Allah in Quran telling the absolute truth.(NO IF AND BUT n Escapism).
Word of Allah in Quran is to fast during Ramadan
Intension of fast and hadith of Prophet is to fast by all parts of the body.
Are you implying that those who do not fast are not Muslim?
Or
Those who fast for show are Muslim just because they fast!
Food for thought
This and other commands for Salat, Hajj, Zakat are in Quran.
For Exact manner of 5 prayers and Zakat and Hajj rituals, we depend on Sunnah
Salaam