ROHANI ROSHNI,An understanding.

[nuseri]

The Hindi word is atmaprakash,the english meaning in enlightenment of the soul.
The tree word roshni ,prakash and enLIGHTenment indicates to light.
There is a kalam of Moula ALI
That bandagi of the night seen as LIGHT on the doers face in morning.

Roshni has two facet one which is knowledge of Faith (not of religion or traditions) and reflection of soul as glow of light seen on body(mainly face).
We will share our toughts on knowledge for other time.

We Ismailis are blessed souls from birth itself.

First Let me tell you a generalised observation made by us.

There is difference between the light we observe in our homes and we observe in Jamatkhanas,the omni presence of light there is what we call
ROHNAK IN KHANE.

If you are traveling outside of your Jamat area or country,U see somebody and your heart says he/she is an Ismaili, you get respond to Ya Ali madad from an unknown person.It is by observing light on thier faces.We would be right 8 out of 10 times.

Now comes an close observation.I personally observe day in and out on Ismailis and Non Ismailis.

The best place for a person to observe. is our Jamatkhana

This is trying to observe extreme glow of light on the faces of person.
we daily hear somebody singing Ginan and Qasidas in their turn.
If u are a regular momin, you will have conviction of the person who is singing as a routine for jamat to hear him/herand there are persons who sing out from their hearts making Hazar Imam as their Listener.
Now now already have few of them who we say "Dil thi gayee chee'
You must observe their glow on face before the starting of their singing and WHILST THEY ARE SINGING'.
The EXTREME glow what you seein Latter on them during singing with your own eyes is "ROHANI ROSHNI'
and even your face is enlightened if your SOUL in listening and not your mind,(observe your palms)

Ismailis where I stay and told them the same they are seeing it happen
.
There is also an advance observations which I may not be able to write now but can say it personally to a Haqiqati level Momin.

PLEASE NOTE OBSERVATION OF GLOW OF LIGHT IS NOT A BAATIN OR A NOORANI DIDAR.

I sincerely wish to know and hear if any Ginan verses/Farmans stating on glow of Light (roshni/noor)) on the face of a Momin.

Be a team Momin and not a grumpy criticizer.

I will sign off with:
AHMED ALI ALI BOLIYA
PECHE HONI HOI SO HOI REE.

[nuseri]

Ya Ali Madad:

This is an important message overlooked by academics and no Al Waez ever daring to tread on it.

Quran :Surah 83:Ayat 24

Thou wilt recognize
In their Faces
The beaming light of Bliss.

Farman Of Imam SMS made on 29 September 1899 at Dares es Salaam.

" JYARE TAMEE MANAS NE JYUVO CHO TYARE TAMEE MANAS NI SHAKAL JYOVA MAA AAVE CHE.HAATH, PUG MODHU AANKHE SARVE JYOVA MAA AAVE CHEE.PUN RUH JOOVA AAVTI NATHI.TAMEE RUH NE JYOVA NI TAZVIJ KARO"
This is a very important one off Farman of Imam SMS.
As I covered earlier with Kalam Of Hazarat Ali on Light on face.
Same is being said in Quran and also by the Imam in much broader parameter.
In our Sufi Faith,It is not unnatural to see glow of light of Momins face n body daily in JK or elsewhere.
Is is direct reflection one's soul enlightenment on it's Face.It can also seen on non Ismailis also

When I said about it personally many years back they laughed at me ,now the very same same persons are observing it.

Our Faith as the ability to study n understand the souls on much deeper basis (akin to MRI scan eyesight n feelings).

The face on light is a a basic (primary level) normal observation I feel every convinced Haqiqati can experiance with his own eyes.

Our Sufi Tariqa and thru BLESSING OF IBAADAT gives insight on souls and universe n creations.

I may wish to expand on it but restraining it as certain experiences may sound as fairy tales to those into academic's of it.

[Admin]

I always like to give this example:

Once an Ismaili named Nazarali (he told me himself) was going up the lift at the Queen Elizabeth hotel in Montreal and the ex prime minister Trudeau entered the lift. Nazarali just told him "Hello".

Trudeau said "You are an Ismaili, right?"

He asked Trudeau how he knew and Trudeau replied that when there are a thousands Indians walking in the street, he can spot the one that is an Ismaili out of that crowd.

I think it may be a glow on the face, it may be an effect of the soul. Sometime we walk the street and cross an unknown person and that split second encounter creates impression of love or hate, something that says to avoid the person or that the person is familiar or sympathetic... This comes from the inner voice which should be listened to.

I think that was the case of Trudeau and that is why he was able to identify Ismailis in a crowd.

[tret]

We Ismailis are blessed souls from birth itself.

So you are saying God/Allah discriminate between a new-born child of ismailie and non-ismailie?

[nuseri]

To Tret:Ya Ali Madad.

( Kya kissi aur se madad maang rahe ho ya apne Ilm ka guroor hai ?).

You have worded the question may be incorrectly by putting onus on God.
EVERY EVERY soul is born with the faith n deeds of the past life for a very very very long haul.

Each soul is there with it's share of reward and punishment as the the the ranks n file and geographical blessing n hardship on it's populace.

I do not have a ready reference,but there is/are Ayat/s in Quran on the word
'RANK' amongst people
and also those on right hand n those on left hand side.

I may be not be surprise if there are any Farmans by Imams of a soul status of an Ismaili at Birth.
( Get Baatin of just 4 words 'My dear spiritual children'.(others are not)

It is the person who is discriminating it's own soul for it's own status forward rather than God.HE is just watching the final tally till the END

[Admin]

So you are saying God/Allah discriminate between a new-born child of ismailie and non-ismailie?

Each child is born Muslim (Pahla nam Ebrahim Bhanriya) according to one interpretation of one source, the parents makes him Muslim, Jews, Christian, Hindu etc...

[shiraz.virani]

Admin said :

Each child is born Muslim (Pahla nam Ebrahim Bhanriya) according to one interpretation of one source, the parents makes him Muslim, Jews, Christian, Hindu etc...

But didn't allah[swt] said in holy quran that if the people of the book [which includes christians, Jews, Sabians, Samaritans and Karaites] follow what allah[swt] has commanded then they don't have to worry about heaven or hell

So why then call ourselves superior than other bothers and sisters of our/different faith ??

[shiraz.virani]

Nuseri said :

( Get Baatin of just 4 words 'My dear spiritual children'.(others are not)

Nuseri, its kind of funny to see that you are trying to help us understand the true meaning of ruhaani roshni.

Its like asking an idol worshipper where is god...it's obvious that hez going to point to his idol to prove his point.

The problem with you is you take religion as the source where as in reality it is the spirituality that makes the soul happy...If you don't know the meaning and value of your own life, how in the world are you going to teach others about ruhaani roshni ?

No religion, no baba, no imam, no fakir, no scripture can guarantee ruhaani roshni unless and until a person realizes and understands the true value of his life.

Just two words for you mate "STOP IT" !!!

[agakhani]

In my opinion nobody are superior, we all are childs of Almighty Allah if Allah make one sect ( like most peoples think Ismailis or Muslims)superior then other sects then it is not right justice from Allah. in Allah's eyes every human beings are same.

Question here:-
1, I heard in many waez that every soul have to have to take birth as an Ismaili to receive salvation/Asal me Wasl Hona/ Moksh of their soul!!!???
any detail about this?
2, are non-Ismailis can not receive salvation even they does good deeds in their entire life?
3, What about those non-Ismaili souls which were born before Ismaili sect was began?

[tret]

So you are saying God/Allah discriminate between a new-born child of ismailie and non-ismailie?

Each child is born Muslim (Pahla nam Ebrahim Bhanriya) according to one interpretation of one source, the parents makes him Muslim, Jews, Christian, Hindu etc...

But the question was in God's creation whether He makes any discrimination between an is mail newborn and a non is mail ie new born? In other words if a child is born in a third word country in poverty and suffers is less fortunate than a child who's born in a rich country with all luxuries? It's not child's wish. Is God here to blame? Why one child us suffer while another child us enjoy all luxuries?

[tret]

To Tret:Ya Ali Madad.

( Kya kissi aur se madad maang rahe ho ya apne Ilm ka guroor hai ?).

You have worded the question may be incorrectly by putting onus on God.
EVERY EVERY soul is born with the faith n deeds of the past life for a very very very long haul.

Each soul is there with it's share of reward and punishment as the the the ranks n file and geographical blessing n hardship on it's populace.

I do not have a ready reference,but there is/are Ayat/s in Quran on the word
'RANK' amongst people
and also those on right hand n those on left hand side.

I may be not be surprise if there are any Farmans by Imams of a soul status of an Ismaili at Birth.
( Get Baatin of just 4 words 'My dear spiritual children'.(others are not)

It is the person who is discriminating it's own soul for it's own status forward rather than God.HE is just watching the final tally till the END

I wish everything could be accomplished just by words. You say Ya Ali Madame by reciting it but there are ones who intends it from jeans, no need to verbalize or vocalized other, for Ali is all knowing and knows your intentions.

Ego is really not suit I guess everyone reflects it by expressing is pov. So I will leave it to other readers to be judge and see who has ego you? Me?

As for the actual question, if you can please provide a credible and authentic reference about soul's status at birth, I would be appreciative and I can put a check mark to one of the questions that I was seeking answer to.

[Admin]

You say Ya Ali Madame by reciting it but there are ones who intends it from jeans

I attended in 2009 (from memory) a ceremony at the University of Alberta and our Imam was making a speech there. He made some fun about how automated speing checker would change words and names and the riskd associated with this. So I guess you did not read that speach

Ya Ali Monsieur!

[tret]

You say Ya Ali Madame by reciting it but there are ones who intends it from jeans

I attended in 2009 (from memory) a ceremony at the University of Alberta and our Imam was making a speech there. He made some fun about how automated speing checker would change words and names and the riskd associated with this. So I guess you did not read that speach

Ya Ali Monsieur!

I did not as a matter of fact. But, I want to make a correction

Let me correct by quoting myself

"You say Ya Ali Madame by reciting it but there are ones who intends it from hearts"

[nuseri]

Ya Ali Madad:
The matter got heated overnight.
My compliments to the one who has changed the word Madad to Madame.
You would be making this site a Sleazy joint owned n run by Madame (a naughty one).

I am sorry if the word Madad mean Madame in Persian or Arabic or one's native language.
Regarding the soul.
I have posted earlier on 'Kalima' n 'Greeting of Farman'.
I do not wish to go over it again.

Roshani roshini is very much a part of our faith.
It is recited in tasbih everyday.

It's observation is mentioned in Quran,H ALI's Kalam n Imam's Farman.

If somebody is allergic to it, SO BE IT.

Firstly the word used 'Discriminate' for God/Ali is improper.

It's means differentiating with grudge,bias and prejudice.
More polite word can be differentiating.

The whole world is differentiated by many being born in poor country with hardship and low level of religion and faith and many in prosperous countries with good weather with good religion and faith of their
"forefathers"( there is a Farman on it,I do not know it fully).

The soul of a new born past life n it's fortune is mainly done by astrology n palm reading. and Science is catching up with DNA history of people of the regions and they also feel there a role of supernatural in status n location of one's birth.

The Baatin of many many Ayats is full of it.

Everybody may not be same in the eyes of God.

He directly reflect in greater measure the soul's closeness,brightness (roshini) or blindness
towards HIM.
HE DOES DIFFERENTIATE is there by understanding of many Ayats and divisions n plurality in the world of those who have n' havenots' and also those who believe in God n those who do not.

If all are equal then why did he make two different abode of Heaven and Hell.
HE is very just and Fair .He made 'ONE' world. Mankind has turned it into Heaven n Hell. It is the person's doing himself with rewards n punishments here only on his faith and past deeds.

First Humans were blessed in Garden of Eden and not punished into sub Sahara Africa.
HOW AND WHY IT HAPPENED TO THEIR GENERATIONS IT IS THERE IN QURAN TO UNDERSTAND IT

[tret]

Ya Ali Madad:
The matter got heated overnight.
My compliments to the one who has changed the word Madad to Madame.
You would be making this site a Sleazy joint owned n run by Madame (a naughty one).

I am sorry if the word Madad mean Madame in Persian or Arabic or one's native language.

I am sorry, for assuming your intellect and smartness. I assumed the above would suffice, but apparently it didn't, so I am repeating again.


I am blaming auto-correct of these stupid-smart phones


If you truly think that Ya Ali Madad in persian and arabic means Ya Ali Madame, then You truly are an ignorant and not certainly an educated person.

I'd advise you to watch the "Walk the Talk with Aga Khan" that was posted on NDTV and find out what our beloved MHI has to say about the definition of an educated person in todays time and era. If you simply can't differentiate a typo with actual intention then debate or discussion would be in a total vain with you.

[tret]

Ya Ali Madad:
The matter got heated overnight.
My compliments to the one who has changed the word Madad to Madame.
You would be making this site a Sleazy joint owned n run by Madame (a naughty one).

I am sorry if the word Madad mean Madame in Persian or Arabic or one's native language.

I am sorry, for assuming your intellect and smartness. I assumed the above would suffice, but apparently it didn't, so I am repeating again.


I am blaming auto-correct of these stupid-smart phones


If you truly think that Ya Ali Madad in persian and arabic means Ya Ali Madame, then You truly are an ignorant and not certainly NOT an educated person.

I'd advise you to watch the "Walk the Talk with Aga Khan" that was posted on NDTV and find out what our beloved MHI has to say about the definition of an educated person in todays time and era. If you simply can't differentiate a typo with actual intention then debate or discussion would be in a total vain with you.

[nuseri]

To Tret: You wrote

'I wish everything could be accomplished just by words. You say Ya Ali Madame by reciting it but there are ones who intends it from jeans, no need to verbalize or vocalized other, for Ali is all knowing and knows your intentions. '

Your intention and frustration is reflected in the complete statement by relating it with "intends it from jean'.( what does this means?)

You are degrading the word ALI intentionally not by error.
Your frustration is also seen in other posting.

You may be making yourself a nuisance value rather than inspirational
with your single dimension confused Ilm.

I may be an uneducated person but you are not and reflect worse than that.

[tret]

To Tret: You wrote

'I wish everything could be accomplished just by words. You say Ya Ali Madame by reciting it but there are ones who intends it from jeans, no need to verbalize or vocalized other, for Ali is all knowing and knows your intentions. '

Your intention and frustration is reflected in the complete statement by relating it with "intends it from jean'.( what does this means?)

You are degrading the word ALI intentionally not by error.
Your frustration is also seen in other posting.

You may be making yourself a nuisance value rather than inspirational
with your single dimension confused Ilm.

I may be an uneducated person but you are not and reflect worse than that.

Well, an ignorant will ignore no matter what, is what you are doing my good friend!!! No point for me to explain or describe.

Ilm is required no matter what stage you are in, and for your information is inspiration of faith and you lack that. You clearly demonstrate that.

Everyone can claim what they wish, especially behind the layer of the internet, like you do. you claim to have reached marifat, but you could be very well talib of ismailie, if we had one. You blindly judge everyone by your subjective limited knowledge. Well, like our beloved MHI said, to you yours, to me mine!!! If you disagree with what I have to say, just simply disagree. And believe me you, I don't have any objection.

ALI is not someone/something/some entity to be degraded by anyone!!! not you!! not me!! not anyone else!!! if you think ALI is degraded, then my good friend, it clearly shows your faith, believe and false love [that you try to show], towards him.

Who's educated and who's not, I guess we don't need to indicate it, because what's reflected is beyond obvious and let other readers to be judge and jury.


Again, I don't have any problem of labeling people my good friend, it's ignorant folks who do!! I think you know who I mean.

[tret]

There is also an advance observations which I may not be able to write now but can say it personally to a Haqiqati level Momin.

I have a question for you, mr. nuseri, and you pretend to know it, as you clearly label everyone subjectively according to your pure perception, as 'shariati', 'haqiqati', 'marifati'!!!

Where do you draw a line between -- according to your -- shariati, haqiqati, marifati??? where does one stops and the other starts? You must know, because you clearly label everyone as such!!!

[nuseri]

To Tret"Ya Ali Madad.

Your reply of not describing or not replying to it all ,is admitting your guilt and mischief.
I wonder How admin n other members take on it by by taking ALI/Imams name from under the belt ?
I shows how LOW u can go in frustration n near bankrupt Ilm.

The main topic is' Ruhani Roshni' and not abusing the name of ALI.

If I just name an Alwaez, Admin comes charging n threaten to close my account as if that person is his God father

He is quiet here because he May be accepting ALI/MHI as If he is his Stepfather. ( not Spiritual Father).

You are becoming Panoti for this site.

GOD BLESS U ALL FOR REGARDS AND IMAAN ON ALI

[tret]

To Tret"Ya Ali Madad.

Your reply of not describing or not replying to it all ,is admitting your guilt and mischief.
I wonder How admin n other members take on it by by taking ALI/Imams name from under the belt ?
I shows how LOW u can go in frustration n near bankrupt Ilm.

The main topic is' Ruhani Roshni' and not abusing the name of ALI.

If I just name an Alwaez, Admin comes charging n threaten to close my account as if that person is his God father

He is quiet here because he May be accepting ALI/MHI as If he is his Stepfather. ( not Spiritual Father).

You are becoming Panoti for this site.

GOD BLESS U ALL FOR REGARDS AND IMAAN ON ALI

Well, you have a track record of side tracking and drifting, and it's I think more than clear not only to me but to some regulars users of this site by now!

Please again show AT LEAST one of my posts that I have mismatched or SAID anything about IMAM or PROPHET, unlike YOU my friend who not only follows what our beloved MHI has to say about INTEGRITY which you lack clearly, but also calls our beloved prophet with degrading names, such as ummi!!!. I think YOU yourself more than others know this!

I don't think you need to remind me of Ilm, where you, yourself neither have any Ilm, nor interested in acquiring of any Ilm. Now, tell me my good friend, who's bankrupt on Ilm?

Like I said, you have a problem of pre-judging people without even trying to understand and know them!!! Now, you are questioning Admin's faith and believe? Why don't you leave these questions to our beloved MHI?
Or it's that you think you reached mahrifat and now you are god, astaghferullah!!!???

Please STOP IT, as many other brothers as suggested you, kindly! You can't get anywhere!

[Admin]

This discussion goes nowhere.

The rules of posting should be read. I am tired of repeating this again and again.

Then people complaint that we delete their posts and that Admin consider the Imam as his "stepfather" and not spiritual father"". These kind of insults will not be tolerate. Wehave shown enoiugh patience.

[a_27826]

Ya Ali Madad:

This is an important message overlooked by academics and no Al Waez ever daring to tread on it.

Quran :Surah 83:Ayat 24

Thou wilt recognize
In their Faces
The beaming light of Bliss.

Don't you think this verse is taking about the faces of believers in hereafter rather than here-now ?

[nuseri]

To A27826:
Ya Ali Madad.

Kyaa cho tamee ?

A thoughtful and a nice question.

IT IS VERY VERY MUCH 'HERE NOW' N NOW ONLY.

Thereafter there is no body, eyes or senses

Then we do you have to SEE it ,if the Ayat is absolutely true

Almost all Ayats of heaven n hell and GOD to be seen is 'HERE NOW'

HERE NOW N HERE NOW.

UPAR NAA TO PAANI HAI
YA TO OXYGEN ,YA KOI
KAHANE KI CHEEZ HAI

[tret]

EVERY EVERY soul is born with the faith n deeds of the past life for a very very very long haul.

Each soul is there with it's share of reward and punishment as the the the ranks n file and geographical blessing n hardship on it's populace.

Just want to ask a followup question on this. (btw, still awaiting for a reference, on this if you can find).

So, if every soul is rewarded/punished by deeds from past life, then by logic and common sense, every soul must have had a past life. This would mean that there must be same number of birth as number of death and the population of the world should not increase. Because each soul must have come from past.

But, we all know that world population has grown and still growing. So amongst these souls from past, are these newly created souls too? Then what about their ranking and status at birth?

[nuseri]

Ya Ali Madad:

Human being is blessed with free will. ( faculty of thinking)
So the process of human population is a biological process and growth rate of the regions.Science has given good data on body and mind.

If one's is not blessed to to know past of own soul.
There is an occult science called 'Past Lfe regression".

In this the person is hypnotized and asked of his past lives,it is fully video-graphed ,there are many TV based reality shows on these and maybe some also on the Youtube.
Every newborn is blessed with a soul with rank of the faith of his forefathers to move forward with if no past life records are there

There are few Farman of MHI on faith of forefather to makes one strong
made as most place in East Africa in 1957 during Takth Nasihini.

Ibadat leads to self hypnosis of the positive side ( Noorani side).

KNOW THYSELF KNOW GOD.(four word needing over 8.4 million life cycles of achieve).
I sincerely wish if it possible with reading 100 books.( some has read over 4000 books)

Academic Reading n reading (Ilm) of Khidmat ,Ibaadat and Aashique.
may lead a person with zero marks in practical in a absolute practical subjects as there is no theory exam on it.

It is like a puppy barking n running after a Limousine of Baatini's it.
Limo wont stop but the puppy is exposed to getting crushed.

An Ismaili with no conviction on our Baatin concept and the Value of Ibaadat
is a ( stubborn mind) soul misdirected to lower end of Tariqa and maybe suspicion even on the' Noor of Imamat' something akin to status of the Khojas who became Itnasharis.

There may be Farmans on reading make soul reach salvation( marifat).
If it is there, God bless them with that option.

[tret]

Ya Ali Madad:

Human being is blessed with free will. ( faculty of thinking)
So the process of human population is a biological process and growth rate of the regions.Science has given good data on body and mind.

If one's is not blessed to to know past of own soul.
There is an occult science called 'Past Lfe regression".

In this the person is hypnotized and asked of his past lives,it is fully video-graphed ,there are many TV based reality shows on these and maybe some also on the Youtube.
Every newborn is blessed with a soul with rank of the faith of his forefathers to move forward with if no past life records are there

There are few Farman of MHI on faith of forefather to makes one strong
made as most place in East Africa in 1957 during Takth Nasihini.

I don't think it answers what I have asked! Let me remind you what you stated!

EVERY EVERY soul is born with the faith n deeds of the past life for a very very very long haul.

It's only common sense that if every soul had a past life, then every human being [which aparantly has a soul, let's not talk about animals, and if they have soul. Do animals have soul? Another topic maybe ] must have a past life (according to you above statement). Then why increase population (which means every new human being has a soul, then where did they come from? another world?)

Ibadat leads to self hypnosis of the positive side ( Noorani side).

KNOW THYSELF KNOW GOD.(four word needing over 8.4 million life cycles of achieve).
I sincerely wish if it possible with reading 100 books.( some has read over 4000 books)

Academic Reading n reading (Ilm) of Khidmat ,Ibaadat and Aashique.
may lead a person with zero marks in practical in a absolute practical subjects as there is no theory exam on it.

It is like a puppy barking n running after a Limousine of Baatini's it.
Limo wont stop but the puppy is exposed to getting crushed.

An Ismaili with no conviction on our Baatin concept and the Value of Ibaadat
is a ( stubborn mind) soul misdirected to lower end of Tariqa and maybe suspicion even on the' Noor of Imamat' something akin to status of the Khojas who became Itnasharis.

There may be Farmans on reading make soul reach salvation( marifat).
If it is there, God bless them with that option.

Now, this part of your post is going back in our difference between importance of ilm.

Let me again clarify something. You are saying Ibadat, Khedmat, Ishqh (to Imam) is of utter importance. I agree more than 110%! There's no way you can measure my love towards my Imam, neither can I measur yours! Ishqh toward Imam is foundation of our tariqa, and I believe every ismailie must know that.

Now, Khedmat is good deeds. It's a common trend in each and every religion (not only ismailie) to do Act of Kindness and good deeds (Khedmat). What I have learned is we do good deeds not because they are just good and for the sake of being good. But, we do good deeds because it brings us good either in this world or in next.

Ibadat is to remember Imam of the time at all times. So, essentially no ismailie will ever disagree with the 3 points that you have mentioned, for these points are the fundamentals of our tariqa.

But, what I am also adding to that is aquiring of Ilm. You seem to have knowledge about a lot of topics, and I am pretty sure you must have read it somewhere. Now, had you not read (had you not the knowledge [ilm]), would you be able to answer them?

If I were you, I would stop labelizing people subjectively. Simple fact, is because there's no way we can measure one's faith, especially in an online forum where there's no in person interactions. What I say (for that matter what you say too), would be much more effective, should I had this conversation face to face.

Just one question: You say you don't believe in Ilm and aquiring it. Then please answer the following, in your own words. Please say a little more that ALI=God. Even if you do, please support it.

- Who/what is ALI to you?
- who/what is God to you?

[nuseri]

Ya Ali Madad:
For you ALI is nothing but,just a hard on in the jeans which you tried to hint few days back.

With your posting n others in multiple manuscript and with the blessings of Admin.
Soon this site will give out fragrance of 'Eau de Toilete"

I read that the site is dedicated to HH the Aga Khan ans Ismailis,but I feel it is dedicated in memory of a Dead person.

Language of research during Fatimid was Arabic,so was it.

Geo political scenario has changed in last 1000 years and even from Imam Nizar's time so the Farmans.

We have to follow MHI the current Imam's Farman and not get attached to past manuscript just for academic and argument sake.

A living jury does not validate any dead person saying.

Somebody may be ready to post Fatimid Imams sermon by copy paste in Arabic.
Native language of culture mean let Ginans ans Qasidas be sung in Gujrati/Persian language and not to be translated in English and sung in English or other languages.

MHI does even desire any translation of his Farmans made in English now.( as told to me by a religious board member)

Native language of Imam Nizar could be any was many hundreds back,we are not living in that Era.

What Imam desires today is our absolute faith and to attach an indifferent riders over n above Imams Farman is a pinnacle of Foolishness
and arrogance of one's disgraced n screwed up Ilm. ( Cleverness n not Intelligence)

VICTORY IN OUR FAITH IS THRU ONE BLESSED WORD/S
MAY BE NOT THRU reading of FEW HUNDRED BOOKS.

[shiraz.virani]

Nuseri said :

Ya Ali Madad:
For you ALI is nothing but,just a hard on in the jeans which you tried to hint few days back.

Are you out of your freaking mind nuseri ??? ....I have been reading both of y'all's posts and I never come across with what you have said @ above.

If somebody does not agree with you on certain things or questions you does not mean he is anti ali or anti nuseri.

Take some time off of this forum mate, get some fresh air and come back.

We have no issues with you just please don't impose your views on us...And sorry to say this I don't see any reason why you and tret should go back and forth on things none of us truly understand ???

Admin has warned you in the past to refrain from using this kind of language....I request admin to lock both the pages where these two are going back and forth for some time.

[tret]

It's okay Shiraz brother. Let him say what he feels! Good news is, truth can't be changed.

Ya Ali Madad:
For you ALI is nothing but,just a hard on in the jeans which you tried to hint few days back.

This is your opinion, and you are entitled to it. Kindly tell us what it is for you? It's okay if you have trouble articulating it; I asked you to put it in your simple temrs, if you know at all?

The following is from Hazrat ALI. It means, Man's falws are hidden, until he speaks up. You just start to speak up.


مرد تا سخن نگفته باشد عیب و هنرش نهفته باشد

With your posting n others in multiple manuscript and with the blessings of Admin.
Soon this site will give out fragrance of 'Eau de Toilete"

Yet you keep coming back to this site...

I read that the site is dedicated to HH the Aga Khan ans Ismailis,but I feel it is dedicated in memory of a Dead person.

Who's in your mind? You can just say it!

Language of research during Fatimid was Arabic,so was it.

So you are basically saying that I made up that verse? If you don't research, there's no way I can proof it to you. If that's the case, you either take my word [which apparently you won't, and that's okay with me], or ignore and deny it, as you do. In both case, it's totally fine with me. After all, soul searching is a personal journey and we really don't have to agree with each other in all matters.

Geo political scenario has changed in last 1000 years and even from Imam Nizar's time so the Farmans.
We have to follow MHI the current Imam's Farman and not get attached to past manuscript just for academic and argument sake.

I am not sure what's the relevence of this to the topic of our discussion? If you are saying we abondon the work of our great Imams/Dais/Pirs from the past, then I have to beg to differ. You are welcome not to read/follow/obey them, but to preach to others to do the same, as you please, I really think you should think twice before saying it!

Farmameen are different than the work of Imam. I agree with you that we follow Farameen of Imam-eHazir, but that doesn't mean we should abondon (and banish) the work of previous Imams. Imams are ocean of Ilm, and us (Mustajibs) are to seek them.

A living jury does not validate any dead person saying.

Let me take a shot at this. By living jury do you mean Hazir Imam? And who do you mean by dead person? Please clarify! If you mean our previous Imam, then I have news for you. You still have no idea about our fundamentals of our tariqa!! Previous Imams and Present Imams are of same noor. They are all Imams to guide us, according to time and space. Previous Imams are still Imams and not dead person!

Somebody may be ready to post Fatimid Imams sermon by copy paste in Arabic.
Native language of culture mean let Ginans ans Qasidas be sung in Gujrati/Persian language and not to be translated in English and sung in English or other languages.

Yes you ask me to do a translation for you! Self-contradiction never stops!

MHI does even desire any translation of his Farmans made in English now.( as told to me by a religious board member)

I guess you mean "MHI does NOT even desire any translation of his Farmans", no?

If yes, then there's a reason for that. I think you are smart, and you should know the reason why?
The reason today is that Jama'at around the world is blessed that MHI can visit them in each corner of world nad give them didar and send them farmaan.

Native language of Imam Nizar could be any was many hundreds back,we are not living in that Era.

Qur'an is even older book and language, what do you suggest? Should we throw it away because it's old?

What Imam desires today is our absolute faith and to attach an indifferent riders over n above Imams Farman is a pinnacle of Foolishness
and arrogance of one's disgraced n screwed up Ilm. ( Cleverness n not Intelligence)

Please show me anywhere in my posts that have I stated otherwise? Where have I stated that one should not follow Farameen mubarak? Please do not lie!
On the other hand, please show me one Farman of MHI (or any previous Imam for that matter) that states ilm is not necessary and no one should try to acquire it? If you back your argument with credible reference (not what's coming off of you), I will take my hat off to you, until then you either convince me or be convinced!

VICTORY IN OUR FAITH IS THRU ONE BLESSED WORD/S
MAY BE NOT THRU reading of FEW HUNDRED BOOKS.

Victory means different things to different people, even in our faith! What does it mean to you?