BAYAT WITH ONE RUPEE

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Naveedullahbaig
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BAYAT WITH ONE RUPEE

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YAM!
IS IT NECESSARY TO DO BAYAT(BAYA) WITH ATLEAST ONE RUPEE? WHAT IF SOMEONE DOES NOT HAVE ANY RUPEE?[/list]
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Post by kmaherali »

I believe that a rupee is a token of devotion symbolic of the willingness of submitting 'tan man and dhan' to the Mursheed.

It in no way covers the cost of conducting the ceremony.
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Post by Naveedullahbaig »

I also beleave that a rupee is a token of scrifice and submission however it has become a ritual to give atleast one rupee.Sometimes people dont have any money and feel a bit embarrassment as the Mukhi offers his hand for money.
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Re: BAYAT WITH ONE RUPEE

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Naveedullahbaig wrote:YAM!
IS IT NECESSARY TO DO BAYAT(BAYA) WITH ATLEAST ONE RUPEE? WHAT IF SOMEONE DOES NOT HAVE ANY RUPEE?[/list]
Salam and Ya Ali Madad

Khudavan Mowlana sultan Mohammad Sha (pbuh) said if a merid does not afford to pay the Zakat, he/she must take their Tazbi and sit in a corner of JamatKhana and remember their Lord then Inshallah, spiritually your Zakat will be accept.....
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From_Alamut wrote:Khudavan Mowlana sultan Mohammad Sha (pbuh) said if a merid does not afford to pay the Zakat, he/she must take their Tazbi and sit in a corner of JamatKhana and remember their Lord then Inshallah, spiritually your Zakat will be accept.....
I have heard from a waez that in one of the private mehmanis, MSMS was asked by a family struggling to raise a handful of children to be excused of Dasond. MSMS told the family that if he excused them, it will be hellish for them (zulm hojaaygaa). Instead he asked them to consider him as an extra child and pay Dasond.
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Our Imam used to personaly accept Dast Boshi, Kankanr, Kangwa, Bayat, up to the time our Jamat moved to the Western World. Even after that there were such ceremonies and Imam's Farmans in 1978 in Canada stand as witness that he accepted and performed those rituals.

Mowlana Sultan Muhammad Shah made clear in 1956 that Mukhis can also accept Bayat on his behalf as well as receive Dasond and give Chantas in the absence of Imam.

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Meaning and significance of Bayah..

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BAY'AH - CONTRACT AND COVENENT WITH IMAM OF THE TIME

Bay ‘ah is a spiritual and material contract or covenant that every Ismaili Muslim or murid has given and made with the Imam of the Time. This is the first and a paramount obligation.

Bay ‘ah gives the murid the right to receive, and access the Imam’s Farmans, teachings, guidance, blessings, and to participate in congregational prayers and practices at the Jamat Khannas (prayer halls)

Bay ‘ah, means “buying/selling”. Bay ‘ah between the murid and the Imam is a spiritual and a material “transaction” , in which the murid commits and gives his/her allegiance, devotion, and obedience to the Imam, in exchange for the Imam’s spiritual guidance, intercession, blessings, and purification, in this world and when the soul leaves the body and continues their Journey into spirituality. Understanding Bayah and believing this is critical.

“You perform bay ‘ah, but you must first understand it’s meaning and then offer bay ‘ah. When you offer me bay ‘ah it means that you extend your hand to me with a promise…He who obeys me and promises to follow me after offering me bay ‘ah I also give him my promise that I shall hold his hand in the Hereafter. The trials and tribulations of the Day of Judgment are very frightening and painful. I will keep him away from this. – Imam Sultan Muhammad Shah Aga Khan III, (Manjewadi, October 31, 1903, quoted in Kamaluddin Ali, Practices and Ceremonies)

“Lo! those who swear allegiance (Bayah) unto thee (Muhammad), swear allegiance only unto Allah. The Hand of Allah is above their hands. So, whosoever breaketh his oath, breaketh it only to his soul's hurt; while whosoever keepeth his covenant with Allah, on him will He bestow immense reward.” (Quran 48:10)

“It is incumbent upon the parents that they should first make their children my murid through the performance of bay ‘ah33…Those who have not offered bay‘ah. they have not signed to accept our faith. Just as you sign on an agreement in your business and in other dealings, similarly, through bay ‘ah, I take signature from your soul21.– Imam Sultan Muhammad Shah Aga Khan III, (Kutch Nagalpur, November 27, 1903)

Only those who have given bay‘ah to the Imam of the time have access to the congregational prayers and prayer halls. This makes sense because every Ismaili ritual practice performed in the Jamat khanna is an expression and an enactment of the Imam-murid relationship, a relationship that only exists through Bay‘ah. The act of bay‘ah indicates that a person accepts the Ismaili Imam as his or her spiritual master and guide. Therefore someone who has not given bay‘ah , are not able to or can benefit from participating in the Ismaili congregational prayers and practices in Jamat khanas (Prayer halls)

It is incumbent upon the parents that they should first make their children my murid through the performance of bay‘ah…Those who have not offered bay‘ah they have not signed to accept our faith. Just as you sign on an agreement in your business and in other dealings, similarly, through bay‘ah, I take signature from your soul. – Imam Sultan Muhammad Shah Aga Khan III, (Kutch Nagalpur, November 27, 1903) Ismaili gnosis

You perform bay‘ah, but you must first understand it’s meaning and then offer bay‘ah. When you offer me bay‘ah it means that you extend your hand to me with a promise…He who obeys me and promises to follow me after offering me bay‘ah I also give him my promise that I shall hold his hand in the Hereafter. The trials and tribulations of the Day of Judgment are very frightening and painful. I will keep him away from this.

"When you come for bay'ah come with the intention that
you will never go out of the Farmans of the Imam-of-the Time”
“Once you offered me bay'ah then do not be light-hearted. Offer me your bay'ah with this firm intention in your mind. just as you make agreements amongst yourselves in business, similarly you come to me with such an agreement that from now onwards you will not be misled by anyone. Keep your faith as strong as this Girnar Mountain. Come to offer me bay'ah with such intentions in your mind. If you perform bay'ah with such intentions then you will be greatly rewarded. Your religion is so very strong."

Imam Sultan Muhammad Shah Aga Khan III, (Manjewadi, October 31, 1903, quoted in Kamaluddin Ali, Practices and Ceremonies)

The act of bay‘ah is a commitment that a person accepts the Ismaili Imam as his or her spiritual master and guide.

Bay‘ah as a religious practice goes back to the lifetime of Prophet Muhammad and the Qur’an mentions it in numerous verses (48:10, 16:91, 48:18, and 60:12) in which the believers give bay‘ah to the Prophet Muhammad.

Bay‘ah, means “buying/selling”. In this case this is a spiritual “transaction” or “contract” in which the murid commits, and gives his/her allegiance, devotion, and obedience, to the Imam, in exchange for the Imam’s Guidance, intercession, blessings, and purification. This Imam does by giving Farmans, and blessings , materially as well as spiritually.

The act of bay‘ah indicates that a person gives allegiance and obedience to the Imam. This is the first and a paramount obligation for every Ismaili Muslim

“As true lsmailis, you must remember that you will always have two principal obligations. The first and paramount of these is your religious obligation to Islam and to your Imam. Your second obligation is a secular one. You must always be loyal to the country of your adoption and to whatever Government is responsible for your security and well-being... “ (Aga Khan IV)

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But Bayah is done when the baby is born he or she cannot promise all this. So dont you think Bayah should be after the babies are adults and can understand and then take vow? As babies they are just forced to do what they do not understand
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Bayat is done by parents on behalf of their baby. There is no compulsion in religion, if the bay wants to cancel his bayat in the future, he can do it at his own detriment. By doing bayat for their children, the parents have ensured spiritual protection for them. Whenever the child grows and feels he does not need that bond, he can quit the fait. The Imam will not be the first to break his promise.

To say that the child should grow and decide about Bayat instead of letting his parents decide for him when he is young is the same as saying that the child should not be given any vaccination up to the time he grows and decide for himself of that the parent shouldnot feed their child unless he grows and decide for himself to feed.
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Post by Haysal »

..but can the adults not renew this again so that they can be serious about it and have better understanding as what they are promising or what is expected of them. Why take it negatively that the person may want to leave? this way person will be more serious and responsible.
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Post by kmaherali »

Dua Karavi ceremony provides an ongoing method of renewing the Bayat, so there is always an opportunity to renew Bayat and reaffirm the commitment to the principles of Ismailism.

In Syria Dua Karavi ceremony is called Mubayah meaning Bayat renewal
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Post by mahebubchatur »

Seva” means literally Service and innthe context of the Ismaili faith, voluntary Service in accordance with Imam’s Farmans and service to the family community and mankind. This service includes the giving and sharing of time, Money knowledge resources and Farmans.

The Seva is not for the benefit of the Imam or for the benefit of the persons who directly benefit from your Seva. It is for your meterial and spiritual benefit in the purification of your Soul, and your Niyat without which you cannot merit the grace and blessings of divine path & enlightenment - link to meaning of Niyat

“Today I will give you  a small motto and that is “Work No Words”. Labour for the welfare of others  is the best way of improving ourselves, because results are sure and certain. If you work for yourselves, you are never happy. This is not a new idea, but this is an outcome of the experience of thousands of years of history.” –  48th Ismaili Imam, Mawlana Sultan Mahomed Shah, His Highness the Aga Khan (1877-1957)
 
DISCIPLINE AND SERVICE

My dear Hazar Imam’s Spiritual Child,
I enclose the photo which you ask for the Souvenir Number of the Ismaili Volunteers, Scouts and Guides.
My message to the Volunteers, Scouts and Guides is:
“I ask you all to remember the great opportunities you have for discipline and service in your organization. Discipline is very important in life, and by making good use of the training you now have, you are laying the foundations for useful and happy lives. I send my loving thoughts and best wishes to you all.”
Yours affectionately,
Om Habibeh,
Mata Salamat
The Begum Aga Khan (1906-2000)

The Ismaili Volunteers old Badge, has the following symbols;
1. The Crest of Imamat
2. the colors red, green with gold - our flag colours with gold.
3. A work horse in readiness with neck in full reigns,
4. A sword - Zulfiqar - for protection
5. a walking stick - For help

The colors red and green are colours of our flag and a symbol of the work and sacrifices of seva daris , volunteers , through out Ismaili history and their willingness to serve the Jamat and the Imam of the time voluntarily, and with loyalty, patience and tolerance.
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Post by kmaherali »

The above post is misplaced. It has nothing to do with Bayah
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