swamidada786 wrote: Mon Sep 01, 2025 9:33 pm
Please do not twist the statement. In Duaguzari the word shanti is used for world peace. Cruel authoritarian blood suckers do not sit in yoga!!
"My thoughts night and day are with you and though in this world, pain and sorrow can never end and everybody will have his own fair share of pain and sorrow, yet it is my prayer that you may have lesser weight and every happiness, due to Faith, Iman, and love of your Spiritual Father."
No. 139 (Precious Pearls, Imam Sultan Muhammad Shah)
swamidada786 wrote: Tue Sep 02, 2025 9:45 pm
My point was that this man post big sermons adopted from Ismaili Gnosis and when asked questions or contradict him, he disappears.
I also sometimes wonder whether he reads or understands the content of what he posts!
swamidada786 wrote: Tue Sep 02, 2025 9:45 pm
You admited what I wrote in my post that Quran was revealed first and then controversies and conflicts started. Without annoying any individual or group, it is my sole opinion that if Quran had explicitly declared who will be the next incharge of religious and worldly affairs after Prophet then Muslaim Ummah should have been united.
If indeed there were such verses, I doubt that they would have been accepted in the compilation by Uthman!
swamidada786 wrote: Tue Sep 02, 2025 9:45 pm
You quoted a part of Ginan: Nabi Muhammad bhujo bhai TOU tamein paamo Imam. According to your translation "know Prophet Muhammad THEN you will attain Imam. It means first recognize The Prophet Then you will attain Imam means SIRAT goes through Prophet Muhammad to Imam, hence Prophet comes first and then Imam. In my opinion it is mention in 6th part of Dua after Surah Ikhlas, name of Prophet comes first and then name of Ali Murtaza. Allahuma bihaqqi Muhammadinil Mustafa wa Aliyinil Murtaza....
Your view assumes that Ismailism was started by Prophet Muhammad. However Ismailism has always been there even before Prophet Muhammad. There were Imams before Hazarat Ali. Also you have to keep in mind that the same Ginans states: Allah ehi Imam meaning Allah is Imam.
swamidada786 wrote: Tue Sep 02, 2025 9:51 pm
At present Imam and Pir are same, hence it is through Imam as intercessor we approach to Allah.
The Imams are also the Pirs but Pirs are not always the Imams. Sometimes the Imams perform both roles as at present but sometimes he may appoint Pirs from the Ahl al-Bayt as at the time of Pir Sadardin for example. Hence in the role of the Pir he is the intercessor but he also has the authority of the Imam as Allah.
swamidada786 wrote: Tue Sep 02, 2025 9:58 pm
But this special prayer is only for spiritual children of spiritual father. Non Muslims, non Ismailis, atheists do not believe in Hazar Imam.
The point is that one can be peaceful in the midst of external calamities whether he or she is an Ismaili or not. Ismailis of course attain that peace through the Imams blessings. Non-Ismailis can also attain peace through their own respective faiths and hence are able to overcome the trials and tribulations.
You wrote; "Your view assumes that Ismailism was started by Prophet Muhammad. However Ismailism has always been there even before Prophet Muhammad. There were Imams before Hazarat Ali. Also you have to keep in mind that the same Ginans states: Allah ehi Imam meaning Allah is Imam".
After printing, Mukhi Devraj destroyed the original copies of Ginans which he collected from various sources. Why he did so? If originals were available then it was easy to compare the original texts. In Ginans there have been changes made in time of Imam Sultan Muhammad Shah as well Shah Karim. Some Ginanic researchers and missionaries had reservation on the sentence Allah ehi Imam. They were of opinion something went wrong while compilation. They said sentence should be "WALLAH YEHI IMAM", pointing to Imam Islam Shah that by God he is real Imam.
swamidada786 wrote: Tue Sep 02, 2025 9:51 pm
At present Imam and Pir are same, hence it is through Imam as intercessor we approach to Allah.
The Imams are also the Pirs but Pirs are not always the Imams. Sometimes the Imams perform both roles as at present but sometimes he may appoint Pirs from the Ahl al-Bayt as at the time of Pir Sadardin for example. Hence in the role of the Pir he is the intercessor but he also has the authority of the Imam as Allah.
I wrote in my previous post; "The word Pir is not used in Dua then through whom we pray to Allah? Dua says," ALLAHUMA BIHAQQI MOWLANA ALI " and in last paragraph of 6th part we pray," WA BIHAQQI MOWLANA WA IMAMINAL HADHIRIL MOUJUD SHAH RAHIMIL HUSSAINI..." My assertion is at present Imam is Pir also therefore Pir Rahim Shah as intercessor will guide us to Allah.
